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|09-11-2011 03:50 AM|
The shelf runs for about 500-600 feet in length and comes out about 150 feet from shore. He was probably 100 feet or so along the shelf (but he was to far from shore to be on it) and there were 2 power boats further along the shelf, one near the far end and another closer to the center. Both were in tight to shore. As I said I have anchored here hundreds of times. Once you get off that shelf the next feasible place to anchor is in 75 feet of water near the outflow of the river about 700 meters south of this location. This spot is close to a provincial park that fills with yahoos on weekends who pour gasoline onto their bonfires during fire bans and burn down the outhouses. I wouldnt anchor in this location overnight and have never seen anyone anchor there for more than a few hours.
I guess we could have tied the stern off to shore to get rid of our swing but given the way the tide will move through there I think that invites more risk than you run doing as we did.
|09-11-2011 02:38 AM|
My opinion is that you should have moved a little.
First of all, ......If you droped anchor 75 feet from shore and let out 100 feet of rode..... I'll guess you were counting on a current to keep you off the rocks??
But back to the question......
We all were inexperienced at one time. We've all had bad days. We all have made mistakes as to "how far away" another boat is. We have all have had to anchor some place for the first time. And if he were concerned, expressed it politely or not, you had the oportunity to be the bigger man. Was there a reason you had to anchor exactly where you did? Was there no room to move a little?
|09-10-2011 08:04 PM|
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
But seriously, in the situation you described I would have gone below, mixed a drink, sipped it slowly in the cockpit while I assessed the situation and how the boats were tending. In the situation you described, nothing much would have changed and so I'd finish the drink, go below for dinner and then have good night's sleep.
In the situation you described it seems to me the guy was a jerk or inexperienced, or both. Anchoring rights are important, and I defer to those anchored before me when it's obvious that there is a reason to be concerned. What you're doing when you ask the boat anchored CLOSE to you is: 1. being polite; and, 2. seeking the judgement of another skipper. If you're close enough to speak to each other in a normal tone of voice, you should pay attention to his views, as he was there first. If you have to shout to hear each other.....well, go below and mix a drink.
As always when at sea, what you do is ultimately up to you and, of course, you accept responsibility for your decisions.
|09-10-2011 12:47 AM|
Last weekend I was displeased with a powerboater who came into the anchorage late. When I had come in, there were two other boats in the same area. I spaced myself well between them and much closer to shore, essentially three points of a triangle. I was anchoring in 20 feet of water and knew that the low water mark would be around 10 feet. I put out 90 feet of chain and 30 feet of line and set with 3/4 throttle in mud/clay. I knew that even if the other boats had short rodes, I would be well clear of them.
Then just after dusk, a powerboat comes in and anchors between me and one of the other boats. He must have been anchoring almost on top of my anchor and he put out much less rode than I did. He was TOO CLOSE. I was concerned about our swings during the night as the tide changed and at one point we were only a couple boat lengths apart. He never should have anchored so close. He could have anchored farther away from all of us, including going out to the outer bay to anchor in 30 feet of water.
Then, to make matters worse, he ran his engine almost all night. I'm assuming he was powering his batteries, but it was really annoying given that he was so close to us.
I did enjoy the fact that in the morning, the local shore birds (starlings?) decided that his boat was a great place to stage feeding sorties. The completely lines his rails and fly bridge. They crapped all over his boat for a couple of hours before the Captain finally rolled out of the sack and tried to chase them away.
|09-09-2011 04:00 PM|
Originally Posted by SailerDoc2 View Post
We're usually happy if someone anchors nearby with 3-4 boatlengths clearance, providing similar ground tackle and scope are deployed, and the anchor has been observed to be properly set. (as opposed to 'toss it over the side and shut down')
Stern/shore tying is common here to increase the acceptable anchoring density. In the real popular places it's not unusual to be a boatlength apart along the shore. Again, proper setting of the anchor is paramount here, esp because if the anchor drags the only place you're going is ashore... anyone in the arc of your shoreline becomes a target...
|09-09-2011 03:45 PM|
I would think 250 feet (Hey, what kind of Canadian are you, using feet instead of meters?!) is plenty of scope. If someone drops on your anchor, tradition allows you to scuttle 'em without warning. If someone way out of range simply goes Donald Duck...same rule applies. Sink 'em, then discuss terms before recovering any survivors.
As we say when racing, if you're gonna hit it, sink it good. If you leave no survivors you waste no time with the protest committee.
|09-09-2011 03:40 PM|
|delite||Sailerdoc you raise a good point as closeness is a subjective issue. I generally like to keep my distance from other boaters (unless I know them) as I will occasionally enjoy a smoke and dont want others to be offended by the smell. I also dont want to hear my neighbors talking or snoring. I thought nearly a football field length to be sufficient. I certainly have anchored in far far tighter spaces, like English Bay for the Celebration of Light fireworks, where there are several hundred boats (maybe more) of all shapes and sizes in a square kilometer (the event draws 300,000 people per night typically).|
|09-09-2011 03:15 PM|
|delite||This was in the Indian Arm near the top by the Burrard Yacht club outpost. We had about 100 feet of rode out as it was already near the high tide and there was zero wind|
|09-09-2011 03:12 PM|
Is "too close" subjective? What is the recommended distance to maintain? I believe communication solves differences. Let's all work to better communicate, especially with skippers without our local knowledge. Be the better captain.
Peace and love
|09-09-2011 02:29 PM|
In this case it really sounds like the person was over reacting.. (mind telling us where this was???)
As Jack says, no one puts out 600 feet of rode, and if this guy was anchored in the depths you suggest his circle is going to be quite small (assuming he actually stays there.....)
IMO it was unreasonable of him to chastise you...
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