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|11-17-2007 09:38 AM|
|Raggbagger||I owned a Morgan OI 41 for 3 years, they are quite comfortable and stable on the water with the right winds. She does not point worth crap and can be hard to tack. Woderfull live abosrds with an aft cabin...we had the walk over ( not recommended ) I hated having to go over to get something out of the fridge!!! We traveled from Baltimore MD to St. Petersburg Fl, mostly did ICW because we were in horicane season and there were five out there making it hard to get out.|
|08-28-2006 12:26 AM|
Morgan OI 33 => BARGE
Following up on a previous suggestion....
Morgan OI 33 => BARGE!
But what a roomy comfortable sleek sailing barge. Think HOUSEBOAT that sails 'sort of to windward' and off the wind 'very well'. They have always been a favorite of mine for a sailing condo. If LIVEABOARD on a fairly short water line and coastal/ICW sailing in mind they are GREAT and fairly cheap.
|08-27-2006 10:30 PM|
|WindRider68||I am trading my services for the purchase of a boat not refurbishing one|
|08-27-2006 10:28 PM|
|WindRider68||I am not referencing my skills to refurbishing a boat but to work on a land based residence, I know I don't have the boat rebuild skills.|
|08-27-2006 08:54 PM|
"Looking for the wind" doesn't really have much info about a real budget. It does say that you have carpentry experience but it doesn't say that that you have fiberglass, marine electrical, or any kind of boat repair experience.
There are a lot of beat to death old boats in south west Florida. Boats that have been baked in the sun until all sealants give up the ghost, and then rotted by the high humidity and heat.
In the 1960's through the 1980's there were a huge number of boats built in Largo, St. Pete and Clearwater. Many of these were comparatively inexpensive when new and are really cheap to buy today. But they are not free and fixing one up to a beater into a condition that will make even coastal sailing safe and possible is no small undertaking.
For example, you can find beat to death 1960's era Morgan 34's (nice boats for that area) for something like $15-20K and if you plan to put one in good sailing shape for perhaps $10-15K. Or an old 1970's Morgan Out Island 30 or 33 which are room boats for their length that make a reasonably good liveaboard but not especially well built or are good sailing boat for something under $20K. Another good option is the 1960's Irwin 32 or early 1970's Irwin 30's, which are available for something less than $15K. A great choice but one that is a little more expensive in the mid- $20K is the Pearson 323.
Anyway, at the heart of it, boats like any kind of home don't come free. You need to do some soul-searching and a sit down and figure out what you can afford, factor in the cost of dockage, and yard bills, living and housing costs while you are fixing up your future home.
Lastly, since your skillset includes carpentry, you might consider building something like Jay Benford's badger design using simple lumber yard materials, or one of Phil Bolgers simple designs.
|08-27-2006 08:12 PM|
Originally Posted by Jeff_H
|08-27-2006 07:43 PM|
|WindRider68||I am not experienced at all,other than books,as far as sailing is concerned.As for size a 38' would be great.And as far as capabilities i would of course liveaboard but with light to moderate coastal cruising,not very much blue water.Fianally where the budget is concerned you can see by my original post "looking for the wind" it is not a very workable budget.Yes my wife and i both work and there are no physical limitations.|
|08-27-2006 07:35 PM|
Yes, but multihull width slips are hard to come by in south west Florida, and liveaboard slips are getting rarer as well so the combination only makes sense if you have located a marina that has room for a mulitihull that allows live aboards.
|08-27-2006 06:52 PM|
sailandoar makes some very good points. There are quite a few shallow draft boats that are also fairly capable bluewater passagemakers. They give you far more options in the way of places to hide in bad weather. A shallow draft boat has less competition and more choices for hurricane holes.
Multihulls are particularly good beasties with shallow drafts...and Cats will give you a lot more living space than a comparable length monohull, and can be worked on by beaching it in many cases.
For the naysayers that don't like multihulls, I'd say that multihulls have been around a long time, and the Polynesian islanders were using them to cross oceans while the europeans were still living in the dark ages.
If you can resist loading up a cat, it can sail well, have more living space, and often sail much faster than a comparable length monohull. However, trimarans tend to have better sailing characteristics, but the smaller ones tend to have less living space than comparable length monohulls.
What is your budget? What is your experience level? Will you have a day job... all this is pretty important, and may affect what boat would be good for you to buy.
What kind of sailing are you planning on doing? Do you want to make long passages, or not? Is living space (a floating condo) more important that sailing capabilities, or do you want a good mix of the two?
|08-27-2006 06:20 PM|
I think that the members of this forum might be able to give a more useful answer if you provided a little more info that filled in some missing pieces like:
Do you have a budget in mind?
How important is the boat's sailing ability?
Are you working? Are you working office jobs?
Do you have any physical limitations?
Are you expeienced sailor or are you looking at this boat as a platform to learn to sail?
Do you have particular a size boat in mind?
Frankly, there are a lot of good liveaboards out there. If sailing ability isn't important than you should be able to buy a live aboard pretty cheaply. Needless to say, draft is a major restriction on the west coast of Florida.
I would also suggest that a good liveaboard should be comfortable, it is your home. You should be able to move around easily. Have lots of storage, and work areas that accommodate the functions of your daily life. In a lot of ways its should be as large as you can afford and can sail easily.
When you live aboard too small a boat, you never go sailing because you need to stow way too much stuff that has a place to live on a bigger boat.
With all due respect to my well meaning colleague, whether a boat is an acceptable circumnavigator bears little or no relation to whether is is a good choice for a liveaboard. And the fact that James Baldwin took a Triton apart and put one back together so that he was able to get the old girl around the world has little bearing on the suitablity of the average Triton for any purpose. Beyond all that, in many ways, a boat that is ideal as a circumnavigator is the antithesis of a good liveaboard, but that is another topic all together.
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