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09-25-2011 09:20 PM
Classic30
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Originally Posted by overbored View Post
Sounds easy but you left out the part where you got away from the dock. How did you get from the dock to open water where you have space to unfurl and sail off into the sunset. How do you do this from a windward facing side tie in 15 kts breeze.
OB, I'm not sure which part of the whole procedure isn't clear to you. Yachts were around long before auxilliary engines were invented.

Adam has already answered the bit about finding yourself on the windward side of the dock. For the rest, it's simply choose the correct sail to hoist, hoist only one of them to start with, let go and sail off..

'tis quite easy once you get the hang of it - although some docks are better positioned than others. If you really must sail without an engine on a regular basis, I'd suggest picking up and leaving from a mooring rather than a dock.
09-25-2011 10:47 AM
jackdale
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Originally Posted by downeast450 View Post
Jackdale,

Did you build your lazy jacks or are they a commercial product? I am going to install a set and want to be able to stow them when not being used. Can you offer a design source or a product that does this well? "Bill Burke's setup", looks simple and effective.

Thanks,

Down
That is a shot from a boat that I was using for instruction; I do not own a boat.

I believe that the lazy jacks were installed when the boat was built. The key is to have long control lines.
09-25-2011 08:37 AM
tommays It depends on how tight your mooring field and in my field the wind the direction makes a BIG difference in how much space you have for a 5 second hiccup and getting back on in 30 knot gusts in the dark is a another deal

And for example while the Cal 29 will luff on the mooring the J24 moves around so easy it really misbehaves
09-25-2011 08:18 AM
downeast450 Jackdale,

Did you build your lazy jacks or are they a commercial product? I am going to install a set and want to be able to stow them when not being used. Can you offer a design source or a product that does this well? "Bill Burke's setup", looks simple and effective.

Thanks,

Down
09-24-2011 10:20 AM
jackdale
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Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
Are there cleats on the boom or special attachments?
Do they bang around a lot under sail?


Wait I looked closer and it looks like they remain attached to the boom but if that is the case is some portion of them stretchy or is there a block with extra line somehow?

OK I looked again.
You have a standard lazyjack setup with permanent attachment to the boom the very top line instead of being terminated 1/3rd from the top of the mast has a block at that point so the tail end can come down the mast and terminate in a cleat reachable from deck.
Did I get that right?

The latter paragraph is correct. There is a cleat on either of the mast, just below the gooseneck. In the picture the lazy jacks have been eased and passed under the cleat, then belayed. To deploy the lazy jacks, the lines are freed from the cleat and then tensioned. There are pad eyes under the boom through the lazy jack lines pass.

As a bonus, a normal sail cover can be used. The lines do not bang the boom or the mast.
09-24-2011 09:00 AM
davidpm
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Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Rob

You should be able to raise and lower the main while on the ball. Just do not harden the sheet.
Yes I did it this way all summer.
09-24-2011 08:56 AM
davidpm
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Originally Posted by jackdale View Post

The lazy jacks are attached to cleats on either side of the mast.
Are there cleats on the boom or special attachments?
Do they bang around a lot under sail?


Wait I looked closer and it looks like they remain attached to the boom but if that is the case is some portion of them stretchy or is there a block with extra line somehow?

OK I looked again.
You have a standard lazyjack setup with permanent attachment to the boom the very top line instead of being terminated 1/3rd from the top of the mast has a block at that point so the tail end can come down the mast and terminate in a cleat reachable from deck.
Did I get that right?
09-23-2011 10:02 PM
jackdale Rob

You should be able to raise and lower the main while on the ball. Just do not harden the sheet.
09-23-2011 09:33 PM
RobGallagher C&C 30 MK1 w/ attached lazyjacks
I'm in a mooring field with lots of current that can affect how I come off/get on my mooring. Sometimes motoring is simply a safer approach.

Raise the main
Drop the mooring
sail off the mooring till I get a bit of speed
Unfurl the jib and trim... weeeeee!

Motor off the mooring
Unfurl the jib
Shut down the engine
Come as high as possible (pinch)
Raise the main... woooohoooo!

Head up as high as possible (pinch)
Drop the main, tidy up
furl the jib
start the engine

Furl the jib before heading to the mooring
Sail to the mooring on the main
Grab the mooring, get it over a cleat
Drop the main
Open beer/Gosslings
tidy up

(Having the jib unfurled and trimming it as much as possible allows the main to come/down easily)
09-23-2011 09:27 PM
jackdale
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Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
Would someone who has lazy-jacks that move forward post pictures. The ones I've seen have been fixed and I would like to see how they are setup.
Thanks.


The lazy jacks are attached to cleats on either side of the mast.
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