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10-21-2013 10:50 PM
skygazer
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Thank you Mechsmith, that is clearer to me.
10-21-2013 01:13 PM
Mechsmith
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

If you have the same as mine the keel is all the ways up to prepare for removeing.

Visualize from the port side. The long end of the "J" comes out of the keel. The short end is about three inches (or a little more) towards the top of the keel from the bottom. The "J" is kind of flattened at the bottom.

Pick the keel up flat and straight, move it forward till the long end of the slot bumps against the pin. Then it will come down. There is (or should be) a strip of stainless to prevent the keel from moving forward till you want it to. Mine wasn't factory at this point but I can think of other ways to prevent the keel from moving forward unintentionally. Yours may have a different method.
10-16-2013 09:26 AM
skygazer
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

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Originally Posted by Mechsmith View Post
There is a J shaped slot in the front of the Keel. There should be a plug or a strip screwed into the fiberglass to prevent the keel from moving forward. Remove it.


Then lift keel when up about 2 1/2" and slip it forward then the whole thing will come down. Careful mine (29' Seafarer KCB) weighed 650#. I did mine on a lift with ropes and the winches and the lift cable. A fork lift would have been handier.

The pin slides down the long leg of the "J" moves forward and slides up to the short leg of the "J". View from the port side. I would check it carefully. I have heard of three of them that broke off at the hook. Seafarer Research Center has a bit of a discussion a few pages back.
Mechsmith, this is the information that I've searched for. I've not seen it anywhere else, you seem the be the sole source of the centerboard removal secret. If you ever feel like doing a diagram and posting it, that would be very helpful in visualizing the setup and the motion you describe. Or perhaps you could make some more word pictures for us, like is the "J" rightside up and backwards when viewed from the port side, and does the 2 1/2 inch lift of the board slide the pin down the long part of the "J"?

Is the centerboard in the up position or fully down when you lift and remove? I'm guessing the down (extended) position.

I just tried to look at my boat, but the way it sits on the trailer I can't get a decent look at it.

I hope I'm one of the lucky ones that have the removable setup, unlike poor 71Seafer34 who had such a mighty struggle with his.

Thank you for posting your seemingly unique and definitely valuable information.
10-16-2013 08:35 AM
skygazer
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

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Originally Posted by 71Seafer34 View Post
...Thank you all for your advice and thoughts and let me know if there are any questions about the construction of these hulls, I have some insight and understanding now. And by the way, if you ever have to get into these hulls the only thing that will even dent the sand/epoxy matrix is industrial diamond water cooled tooling. These hulls can probably really take a hit if they have to, insane strength!

For some reason I have not received an email when this thread was updated. 71Seafer34, it sounds like a big project you tackled, it's great that you have access to the tools you used, and the skill to wield them. Have you taken any photos? They would be helpful for those of us trying to visualize the construction of the boat. Even if your project if finished, it would be helpful to post a photo of exactly where on the boat you had to cut etc.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
08-14-2013 11:36 AM
71Seafer34
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

I forget to follow up on this thread: basically my board turned out to be structurally pinned into the trunk and glassed over. After getting a visual of the pin from the underside I knew it had to come out which turned the entire saga into a three day job. Alas, someone had done it before, hogging out a 3"x8" hole through the hull to the pins location in the trunk. The good and bad news was that that area is just out of the lead ballast and is instead a mixture of sand and epoxy. The big surprise was that the guy who did it last filled his hole with what appears to be PL400 construction adhesive! Good thing I got into it, it remained wet after the boat being on the dry for over a year. No problem-I have come up with a removable pin idea that will make it much easier and safer down the road to get the board on and off should it be necessary. The void will be sleeved and covered with a plate. Thank you all for your advice and thoughts and let me know if there are any questions about the construction of these hulls, I have some insight and understanding now. And by the way, if you ever have to get into these hulls the only thing that will even dent the sand/epoxy matrix is industrial diamond water cooled tooling. These hulls can probably really take a hit if they have to, insane strength!
08-13-2013 03:59 PM
ginosmw19
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

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Originally Posted by skygazer View Post
In a moment of weakness last night I purchased a "sight unseen" Seafarer 24 swing keel on Ebay.

I've never seen one, and don't like swing keels. But it was only 50 miles away and cheap. Also, I've looked at a lot of boats recently, Ericsons and the one Seafarer (fixed keel) I saw really stood out.

Question 1: Anyone familiar with what the pivot pin is made of? That's my biggest concern. If it turns out to be a stainless bolt, is there some special stainless marine alloy I should acquire? Or just buy the best available at the hardware store.

Any other pivot info would be appreciated (trunks, leaks, strengths, weaknesses).

Question 2: Has anyone sailed on one of these boats? I expect to work on it for a year or so and will tailor my efforts to the expected quality of sailing, i.e., more effort if it's a good performer, cheaper way out if it's a dog. I'll be sailing the coast and bays of Maine. Maybe some of the larger lakes, I'm on a small lake and near Sebago Lake.

I'm thinking with the narrow (less than 8' in the charts) beam and the swing keel I could trailer it anywhere, but again, I don't want to get a real nice trailer if the boat doesn't point fairly well and sail at least OK.

My truck can easily tow the weight of two or three of this size boat on a trailer, so that's not an issue.

Thank you to anyone who chimes in, good or bad!
i sailed on a 24 swing keel years ago. (at present i have a seafarer 26 with fixed fin keel) should be a great boat for lakes and calm days on the bay. however your boat is probably to light for decent sailing in heavy weather. i sailed a 24 back from block island to atlantic city nj and hit 20-25 mph winds on the way and the boat got pushed around horribly.
06-25-2013 08:35 AM
Mechsmith
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

There is a J shaped slot in the front of the Keel. There should be a plug or a strip screwed into the fiberglass to prevent the keel from moving forward. Remove it.


Then lift keel when up about 2 1/2" and slip it forward then the whole thing will come down. Careful mine (29' Seafarer KCB) weighed 650#. I did mine on a lift with ropes and the winches and the lift cable. A fork lift would have been handier.

The pin slides down the long leg of the "J" moves forward and slides up to the short leg of the "J". View from the port side. I would check it carefully. I have heard of three of them that broke off at the hook. Seafarer Research Center has a bit of a discussion a few pages back.
06-20-2013 03:07 PM
71Seafer34
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Hey gang. So I have visual access to the board all around and the edge and can see the pin from the front leading edge of the keel. The pin is not going anyway and I cannot see access at any point through the centerboard, no channel or slot or anything. This thing is so rotten and decomposed that the layers of lead and steel are all separating from another so I chiseled out the lead layers and am left with three layers of steel about 3/16" thick each. I have decided to remove a slot out of these three layers leading to the pin so that I can pull the board out with an upward pull. I alreadty cut off half the top of the truck that is in the bilge but still need to actually free the board to even move it. This is an extremely difficult little engineering problem and I have all the tools you could ask for here at my disposal. You will all gasp but I am actually using a plasma torch at the moment to gouge this channel out. Carbide grinder, hole saw, sawzall did not and will not work. This boat seems to be resisting at every turn, I am starting to wonder if not having named here yet is causing bad luck?! Standby, I'll get some pictures of this nightmare up soon. I appreciate all the help! Just putting in my time, cruising is the reward for battles like these.
06-20-2013 01:18 PM
jamesnewsome
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

Some Seafarer centerboards/swing keels can be removed from underneath the boat, but other cannot. One of our Seafarer 34 members on the Seafarer Yacht Group on Facebook just commented on this a couple weeks ago. Here's a link to their blog - Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean | Sailing Chance | Sailing through the Caribbean

We believe that there are more than one generation of the Seafarer 34 because several owners have noted the differences in their boats. Jason & Kelly will be very helpful. Just reach out to them through their blog or through the Facebook group. I tipped them off this morning about your post so they may have already tried to contact you.

I'll also be glad to send you any pdf file I have that lists the S34. Just let me know.

James
06-20-2013 12:22 PM
skygazer
Re: Seafarer 24 swing keel, keel pivot? Sailing qualities?

I found this information about the centerboard being removable on the Seafarer 24:

" Centerboard swings up if it hits an obstruction and can be removed for painting from the outside of the boat without any risk of leaks."

This implies that there is a certain way to swing/lift, push forward or whatever puzzling move to unhook the board, even though the pin is fixed. Of course, pins wear out also, but perhaps the idea is to prevent the need for leaky old gaskets around a removable pin.

I have not tried to remove mine so I have no idea what the "secret" moves are that allow the board to come out "from the outside". If anyone knows the moves please share with us!

This information comes from the site at this link, scroll down almost to the end:

The Seafarer 24

I just checked, a similar statement is made for the Seafarer 34.

"since the centerboard on the Seafarer 34 can be removed from outside the boat with no risk of a leak, maintenance is no problem."

The Seafarer 34
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