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09-28-2011 10:09 AM
svHyLyte
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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
Nice! ..but waayy too much varnish for me.
Amen!!!
09-27-2011 11:38 PM
Classic30
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Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
Here is another pic from the owner's website;
Nice! ..but waayy too much varnish for me.
09-27-2011 11:21 PM
eherlihy Here is another pic from the owner's website;

09-27-2011 09:16 PM
Classic30 Eric Hiscock might have been a crabby old codger, but his opinions on yachts and yachting were certainly worth listening to! (well, most of them any way...)

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Originally Posted by svHyLyte View Post
N'any case, Giles earlier yacht seems to have "Virtues" that persist to this day, eh?
All too often, you don't know how good something is until you buy something "better"..

Personal opinion here, but I'm not convinced Giles designs didn't actually get worse in the years after the Vertue.. It happens.
09-27-2011 09:08 PM
svHyLyte
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svHyLyte, I wasn't having a go at you - simply making a clear distinction between the boat and the designer.....
No worries old son, ...didn't think you were.

As you may or may not be aware, the Hiscocks sold Wanderer III in the late 60's--and much of what else they owned--to have a steel yacht built in Holland. Once it was completed, they launched off on another circumnavigation in the course of which they stopped in Sausalito, Calif (USA) where they put up in a slip a few berths away from us so we had occasion to meet (if for no reason other than their damned switch-tailed cat insisted on doing its business on our cockpit cushions!) Eric was a very opinioned sort, particularly when he was "in his cups" which was not infrequent after 1600 and he once opined that Wandered III was the "..best yacht" he'd owned and far preferable to its successor, Wanderer IV, which he referred to as a "Pig Iron Tub" more than once (it seems he had terrible problems with the yacht until he put up in NZ for a refit of the rudder).

N'any case, Giles earlier yacht seems to have "Virtues" that persist to this day, eh?

Cheers,

svHyLyte
09-27-2011 08:26 PM
Classic30
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No she was/is not--she was/is a "one off" designed by Jack Giles in 1952. My point was that Wanderer and Giles' earlier, smaller, Vertue Class yachts were of the same era (wooden ships/iron men & women) and while the Hiscocks are reasonably well known and so make a convenient point of reference, had I referred to Humphrey Barton and Kevin O'Riordan, few save a couple of old folks would have understood. The original Vertue was designed in roughly 1946-7 as a 25' Gaffer. Barton/O'Riordan earned fame for the class with their 1950 transAt in Vertue XXXV, the 35th boat of the class, tho' she was/is fitted with a Bermudian rig rather than Gaff.

FWIW...
svHyLyte, I wasn't having a go at you - simply making a clear distinction between the boat and the designer. Jack Giles incorporated so many aspects of the Vertue's design in "Wanderer III" that some people find it hard to tell the difference - and think it's just a scaled-up Vertue. Just to confuse things further, Giles' "Wanderer" class isn't an exact copy of the Hiscock's "Wanderer III" either - although at least they're the same length.

There was much changing in yacht design in that era and I'm still amazed that in the decades that have passed, no other designer has developed a better, more seaworthy, small cruising yacht than the Vertue.
09-27-2011 09:08 AM
svHyLyte
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..."Wanderer III" wasn't a Vertue.. but it was definitely J. Laurent Giles.
No she was/is not--she was/is a "one off" designed by Jack Giles in 1952. My point was that Wanderer and Giles' earlier, smaller, Vertue Class yachts were of the same era (wooden ships/iron men & women) and while the Hiscocks are reasonably well known and so make a convenient point of reference, had I referred to Humphrey Barton and Kevin O'Riordan, few save a couple of old folks would have understood. The original Vertue was designed in roughly 1946-7 as a 25' Gaffer. Barton/O'Riordan earned fame for the class with their 1950 transAt in Vertue XXXV, the 35th boat of the class, tho' she was/is fitted with a Bermudian rig rather than Gaff.

FWIW...
09-27-2011 08:31 AM
Armchairsailor2 If you want to know more about Vertues, click here.

One took part in the inaugural OSTAR (or what became it), and it was the star of the book "The Ship Would Not Sail Due West". Tough classics.

Flying Fish is V230, and is one of the latest ones built. Photos and other details can be found on the VOC website.
09-27-2011 07:52 AM
MARC2012 Very pretty boat.marc
09-26-2011 11:24 PM
Classic30 Nice post, JS.

Vertues are found all over the world and have been sailed all over the world. There really aren't all that many for sale since most get handed down as family heirlooms. If you wanted a small boat to do some serious ocean cruising, you'd be hard-pressed to find anything better.

"Wanderer III" wasn't a Vertue.. but it was definitely J. Laurent Giles.
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