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08-29-2006 01:54 PM
sailingdog
Quote:
Originally Posted by captnnero
I did drop one of those floating handles in the Choptank River about five years ago and sure enough it bobbed back up. We got to practice our COB drill to recover it. Then last year I dropped a brand new first-time-out T-handle in Herring Bay on a chilly day and it promptly verified it's non-floating feature. It's probably still there about 100 yards north of Herring Bay #2 if anyone wants to claim salvage rights.
what..no gps coordinates for the location???
08-29-2006 01:49 PM
captnnero
floating vs non-floating

Quote:
Originally Posted by catamount
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As to the floating winch handle, I can't remember ever having dropped a winch handle overboard in many years, so I'm not sure it would be worth any extra expense.

Regards,

Tim
I did drop one of those floating handles in the Choptank River about five years ago and sure enough it bobbed back up. We got to practice our COB drill to recover it. Then last year I dropped a brand new first-time-out T-handle in Herring Bay on a chilly day and it promptly verified it's non-floating feature. It's probably still there about 100 yards north of Herring Bay #2 if anyone wants to claim salvage rights.
08-29-2006 01:48 PM
Cruisingdad (Laugh)

I should probably share with all of you guys my introduction to passagemaking... long story, of sorts... though I have mentioned pieces of it in some threads. Maybe a good topic for the next chronicles?? I am just concerned that what infinitely small repsect I have on this forum will deminish to a negative number....
08-29-2006 01:42 PM
sailingdog
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
Sorry about the wife, SD. Did not know. So you are now spending much of your time and life helping people out, sure that makes her happy. Most people don't care to take the time. Right or wrong, at lesat you try (and yes, you ARE wrong about the icemaker).

- CD
CD- The only thing I'd want an icemaker on board for, is to make icecream. Need a good supply of ice to do that... But then I'd get too fat to sail... so I don't have an icemaker on board.
08-29-2006 01:36 PM
Cruisingdad Sorry about the wife, SD. Did not know. So you are now spending much of your time and life helping people out, sure that makes her happy. Most people don't care to take the time. Right or wrong, at lesat you try (and yes, you ARE wrong about the icemaker).

- CD
08-29-2006 01:29 PM
sailingdog
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
SD,

You are so thoughtful. BTW, as I recall, you are happily married, right? You don't mind if I have a little chat with her, now do you??? HAHA. We will get you straightened out really quick.

Anyone who does not know who the real boss on the boat is, can be categorized as the following: (1) Not Married, (2) Divorced, (3) On the road to Divorce. My wife always tells me that it is her job to make me THINK I am the boss. She also says I should not complicate my intellect with reality... whatever that means. Ignorance is Bliss.

How do YOU really know the liferaft will pop at 15 feet? How do YOU really know your VHF works after being submerged? Have you tried it? How do YOU really know your new Corvette goes 203 MPH??
Hmm... Actually, I'm not happily married, I was—but unfortunately the light of my life died a bit over five years ago. She was definitely the boss... I wish you could chat with her.

I don't know about the liferaft, as I don't have one on my boat... I do know about my handheld VHF... my crew tested it accidentally, when they fell in while carrying it. I thought it was funny... they weren't so amused by it.

As for Corvettes...if God had wanted cars to be made of fiberglass, he'd have made steel and fiberglass have the same expansion coefficient. I think Corvettes are abominable.
08-29-2006 01:26 PM
Cruisingdad Capt,

Quite right. No one wants an oversight.

I always enjoy reading the product reviews from CW, Prac Sailor, and Ocean Nav. I find the last two especially critical (especially for my application - offshore). I remember some years ago when everyone said, "Go buy the Firdell Blipper. Best reflector on the market... blah, blah, blah." Well, it was on my old boat and on my new one. Interesting that they wrote it up (In Ocean Nav?? Can't rememeber now), but they said the Davis was better and the blipper was the worst. I am not trying to beat up Firdell, still a worthwhile product, but the point is: THere is little or no oversight. I bought that thing off of word of mouth.

Now you can say, "Well, you should have gone out and done your own research and blah, blah, blah.." , but come on!! Where do you really get the answers?? You cannot test a hydrostatic release on a life raft. Even if it worked that time, there is no guarantee it will work after it is repacked.

For me, should the boat go down, I will just latch on to the winch handle. It is sure to float.
08-29-2006 01:24 PM
catamount FWIW, the USCG and the IMO (SOLAS) do set standards for livesaving equipment used in commercial and fisheries service, so I would expect a certified liferaft would have to have been shown to work as advertized. Similarly with EPIRBs and such.

Besides word of mouth, there are publications such as Practical Sailor who do put things like floating winch handles and submersible VHF radios through their paces.

As to the floating winch handle, I can't remember ever having dropped a winch handle overboard in many years, so I'm not sure it would be worth any extra expense.

Regards,

Tim
08-29-2006 01:12 PM
captnnero
the meaning of specifications

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
SD,

...How do YOU really know the liferaft will pop at 15 feet? How do YOU really know your VHF works after being submerged? Have you tried it? How do YOU really know your new Corvette goes 203 MPH??
...
There is a basic concept in engineering and Q&A that untested specifications are meaningless. The original acceptance test has to have a test for every line item in a specification. Then Q&A sampling is used in production. Practically speaking the quality of a high production product usually is not "tested" in with 100% testing of all specifications. Rather, the quality is designed into the production process. The Q&A sampling is the check on the production process to indicate when something is wrong in production. So that indeed makes one wonder to what extent our stuff is really tested.

I just heard a rumour that a large purchaser was doing pre-acquistion testing of some boating parts and was sufficiently disappointed with the results and the variation in results that they steered their purchase away from some major brands. I'll try to nail down that story so if there are any dirty little secrets they can be posted. Othewise I won't repeat the other who/what/where details that I heard.
08-29-2006 12:44 PM
Cruisingdad SD,

You are so thoughtful. BTW, as I recall, you are happily married, right? You don't mind if I have a little chat with her, now do you??? HAHA. We will get you straightened out really quick.

Anyone who does not know who the real boss on the boat is, can be categorized as the following: (1) Not Married, (2) Divorced, (3) On the road to Divorce. My wife always tells me that it is her job to make me THINK I am the boss. She also says I should not complicate my intellect with reality... whatever that means. Ignorance is Bliss.

Now, back to my thread... and not to turn a thread I meant to be lighthearted into something else... but...

I have been around a while and I understand the reasons and justifications behind the liferafts et all. I bought them all for God's sakes, but:

How do YOU really know the liferaft will pop at 15 feet? How do YOU really know your VHF works after being submerged? Have you tried it? How do YOU really know your new Corvette goes 203 MPH??

Answer: You probably do not. We trust in what we read or what we hear. In the pharmaceutical indutry, for example, when a company is making a batch, they are constantly pulling lots and submitting them to QC & QA. These are reviewed internally and watched over by the FDA. There is very little room/no room for human error.

Where is the oversight in the marine industry? A one year warranty on a new boat is a joke. You cannot even get all of the bugs out of it in a year. And forget about a lemon law. That one went down in a thud. What about lifesaving gear? Who watches them? Marine Mfg Assoc? Yeah, right. A loose association of basic standards at best. Where is the accountability that your products will do what they say they will do... and continue to do it.

Maybe the answer is right here in this thread: Word of mouth. But that in itself is biased and unscientific.

So, ask yourself this question: How much money have you spent on your boat? How much of that gear are you confident that it truly does and will do what it says it will do? Now, pack yourself and your family up and head offshore. Right there, in the back of your mind... you feel it? That is that lingering doubt: Does it all really work? We sure do put a lot of risk behind things that have little or no oversight.
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