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|12-29-2011 03:56 PM|
Originally Posted by AdamLein View Post
|12-28-2011 10:46 PM|
In one of the post the person advised spending time with someone on another boat. Sailors are really friendly people and eager to share their passion for sailing. My experience is I started out with a 16 foot compac legacy. Took all of 10 minutes to set up. Easy to get in and out and you could haul it with just about any size car. A very well built boat and stable. I learned basic skills in the beginning and soon I was learning about how to shape a sail so on and so on. Did I make some mistakes. You betcha. But they were small mistakes because I was on a small boat. I have since moved up to a precision 23 and am looking forward to this level of sailing. My last piece of advice. Buy a good but that is in demand, even if you have to pay more. One day you ll have to sell it and it won't sit around for long. Wish you well and you have chosen a hobby worth your time and passion
|10-09-2011 12:14 AM|
I started looking exactly 2 years ago thinking fall was "the time to buy" and expecting to have a boat in a few weeks. As we started shopping around and realized that every boat is a compromise and many of the boats were waterlogged junk, we realized it would be a complicated decision. We spent almost every weekend over the entire winter shopping (through snowstorms in the northeast) and purchased at the very end of March. So we shopped for 6 months. We actually enjoyed the process. Some here have shopped for multiple years, but if you want to be on the water by next spring, it's not necessary to shop that long.
My advice is take your time, see as many boats as you can, and try to envision what are the most important things you will want to do both outside and inside the boat. We kept getting pushed up in size, thinking we had to fit the whole family for a week long trip. Ultimately we realized that 95% of our sailing would be daysails in very protected waters, we didn't care about racing, and the kids were old enough and disinterested enough that it would just be me and my wife. So we got a boat with a comfortable cockpit, but enough cabin to do an occasional weekend, and small enough to maneuver easily in river currents.
My life is such that we may never do a week long cruise, but if I do I'll spend a couple thousand to charter a larger boat. My experience sailing our pocket cruiser will give me the skills to do bareboat chartering when that time comes.
Personally, I don't think that boat prices fluctuate all that much between seasons. The well cared for boats have owners that will pay for winter storage while they wait for the right offer. If a guy's desperate to save winter storage costs, he may be too short on cash to have maintained the boat properly. Remember, also, that often people move up in springtime, so new boats may come on the market at that time with the owners wanting to unload quickly. But, bottom line, it seems to be a buyer's market right now, and I doubt that will change by spring. But don't get your hopes up too much about low prices - well cared for boats will still command more money than project boats. If you want a project boat, those fixer-uppers that may have sold for $2,000-$3,000 before might be had for free now. The risk is that you could end up with something that costs you more to fix up than it will ever be worth.
|10-07-2011 11:29 AM|
You know, one of the hardest questions to answer is the one you've posed. As a self reported "newbie" to sailing, understand that there's so much personal choice involved in this decision, that it might be wiser to start with something that doesn't necessarily meet all of your wishes, but that gives you the on-water experience and fluidity that boat ownership proffers. Having said all that, if you were say my brother or friend and asked me the same questions you've posed, I'd recommend that you shop for the best condition 22'-23' boat that you can find that comes on a trailer. 7700lb towing should allow for that with ease and safety in mind. I'd recommend this to them because as is usually the case, the odds are you'll be looking to "trade-up" a lot sooner than you think. Now, I know the response will come, "why settle if you know you're going to trade up anyway?", but bear with me as I expound. You'll probably want to "trade up" even if you purchase a 30 footer because at this moment, there's no way to be 100% sure of what your needs and/or wants really are. By starting with the smaller boat, already on a trailer, you obviously cut down the winter storage issues, you also allow for the portability that you desire, and you've picked a boat that allows you a wide berth opportunity of relative safety to learn the nuances of sailing (which will be ongoing as you progress, btw). With that in mind, finding a 22' trailerable sailboat in Autumn for around $2k should be a breeze, but make sure someone that knows sailboats exclusively is involved with checking her out before purchase.
As to the question, "should I wait until Spring?", I'm of the opinion, "no". Yes, someone is going to be willing to sell their boat a little cheaper because they can save the "haul-out/winter storage" fees that they know they will be facing. Also, spending the winter getting to know your new boat, doing minor on-board projects, etc., will be invaluable in your learning. Whatever you decide, keep us posted and good luck.
|10-07-2011 09:28 AM|
Some thoughts and comments.
NADA and BUCValu have listings for the values of used boats. But their values are not very accurate due to limited data and use of depreciation curves rather than real market data. Values of used boats vary tremendously based on condition, and the sites don't take this into account very well.
The largest boat you can reasonably trailer is about 25 foot. That would work for hauling and storage for the winter to save a bit of money, and maybe a trip to cruise some waters farther from home, but forget about doing this every time you sail.
The pluses and minuses about inboard and outboard engines have been pretty well outlined in previous posts. With regard to power, 1.5 to 2 HP per 1000 lbs is a decent rule of thumb. Less than that is fine for motoring in calm water, but not enough for pushing the boat against wind and waves. More will not buy you much speed with a displacement hull, but might help a bit when motoring in heavier weather.
|10-07-2011 12:36 AM|
Haha..I hear you.
My land rover discovery weights about the same not including the offroad add ons, and it has decent horse power and tourque...it hauls a** thru rock, mud, sand, water over the hood and up steep inclines, like no other truck I have driven, IMO best offroad toy.
But I have no experience towing big heavy trailers and I quoted the owners manual " 7700lbs with brakes on trailer"
maybe its time to install the heavy duty breake kit that I bought months ago and that's sitting on my storage.
But back to boats... is there like a "KBB" for boats? Would be good to know what's the actual value, before considering of buying any boat.
|10-06-2011 11:47 PM|
|seabreeze_97||For what a slip would run you, you could grab an old honkin big truck that'll tow 8000lb. Trailer brakes? What trailer brakes? We don't need no steenkin' trailer brakes. My old RamCharger weighs over 5000lb, and even though it's a 2wd, (they also had 4wd), it tows and pulls up wet ramps beautifully thanks to that weight and a big footprint. Parts are cheap and it's easy to work on. It has big brakes that get the job done. Just something else to consider.|
|10-06-2011 11:13 PM|
Just checked that my Discovery will tow up to 7700lb; trailer with brakes and low gear
That will cost me about a dollar a mile and it will not take me anyfaster where I want to go....
Or...... could I raise the sails and let the boat push my truck instead??
This trailer able idea is getting colder by the minute....lol
|10-06-2011 10:42 PM|
I am in NYC. I will be sailing, hopefully, around Long Island, up and down Hudson river or up and down eastern coast.
The idea for a trailer able boat is to be able to store in land during winter to avoid expensive marinas around here. Or take a week off, haul it say to boston or maryland or further, sail in the waters there then haul it back. But from the advice I am getting here seems that its not the way to go, at least not for the reasons I wanted a trailer able boat. It not a kayak..lol
If I had the space, I would not mind a project boat... but believe me....even finding a parking spot is not easy....lol.... not that I was gonna store my boat on the sidewalk....lol...neighboors allready give a hard time then I try to change spark plugs.
But anyway...I am taking a sailing class this weekend, out in the water Saturday and sunday, so Monday I might have a better idea.
I will check the clubs around but the reason i want to own a boat is to just get on the boat and get away for a weekend if I felt like it, with out much planing or reservation.
Your sugestions are already helping. Thanks all.
|10-06-2011 09:29 PM|
|BostonSailor||Where in the northeast are you? There are two good sailing clubs in Boston Harbor that have a wide range of sailboats - day sailors to 40' offshore boats you can take for a week long cruise. Sailing there for a season on a range of boats would help you better understand what you like/want. And you'll spend way more time sailing since you won't have to spend a minute maintaining the boats . Check out Boston Sailing Center and Boston Harbor Sailing Club. Join for a season and sail as much as you can for no other cost.|
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