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4 Weeks Ago 10:16 PM
albrazzi
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Never have never will do an oil change without a filter change, I just cant see why.
4 Weeks Ago 09:44 PM
RichH
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Filters used for oil lubrication of internal combustion engines are essentially all 'recirculation mode' filters ... the oil gets filtered (@ approximately upwards of 15 US gallons per minute or at about about a max. of 50 lpm) .... over and over and over and over again.
Such filters, all, are rated (for single pass flow) between 16-18 然 at a retention / capture efficiency between ~90 to 97% (weight).
The filter media (a blend of long strand modified cellulose and glass micro fibers plus some 'resin') used in such filters is usually from a single (monopoly) world source - Ahlstrom of Helsinki Finland (or one of its worldwide manufacturing centers). Ahlstrom makes the 'paper', the filter manufacturers make the componentry that hold the technical paper together. The 'cheap' suppliers of such filters typically use 'broke' cellulose - scrap cellulose that was used to make other technical paper; the 'broke' was what was cut off and re-processed (short fibers)

For recirculation mode operation that 16-18然 'rating' is essentially meaningless, as such for each 'pass' of the 'turnover' of lube oil there is a statistical reduction of particles that do pass (some larger than the 'static' rating of 16-18然) but by statistics will be removed on the next or later, etc. pass through the filter. This statistical reduction with recirculation filters has been known and accepted for automotive recirculating lube oil filters since the late 1930s to mid 1940s. Such 'recirculation' mode will quickly (by statistical reduction) lower the 'effective' recirculation mode capture value to ~1/5 of the 'single pass 然 value', or in the case of automotive oil filters: somewhere in the range of ~4然 (as a target size). All such filters have a % of capture sites at lower/smaller 然 values than the static/single pass 然 rating. Do websearch for "filter" + "Beta Ratio".
Recirculation filtration is entirely based on 'throughput' flow rate, effective filter area (sq. ft. / cm squared). The larger the surface area, the less resistance; hence, the 'faster' and 'more' the flow; hence the statistical reduction to the 'target' 然 at a faster rate.
BTW - if for some unknown reason, you want to effect this filtration in a 'single pass', then you'll need a ~4然 filter .... at 5 times the surface area, a MUCH stronger pump, and a total increase of about 6-7 times the cost.

Simple speak: use the LARGEST (internal surface area) lube oil filter that will fit.
'Brands' from ethical** filter manufacturers simply doesn't matter.
In an emergency, for 'recirculation' filtration one could use compressed pubic hair, feminine hygiene pads or even toilet paper; however, the statistical reduction of the numbers of particles to the 'target' 然 level would take longer due to flow resistance issues. Want a 'tighter' 然 reduction; then, speed up the flow rate.

** most 'ethicals' use an Ahlstrom or equivalent technical paper for the filter media.
4 Weeks Ago 07:49 AM
Desmodromic
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Unlike many I believe in continuing old threads if there's something to add as lots of us use forums for research/information.......
3581621 and 3840525 are BOTH VOLVO OIL filters. I have them both in front of me and have used both successfully (a season at a time) on my D2-55B (so that's a 2004, non-turbo'd 4 cyl 2+litre engine which does about 50hours a year). The reason I specify size, 'non-turbo' and hours is because that means it's overall a fairly unstressed, cool-running unit which will not be too fussy about oil type or filter efficiency. A turbo'd engine generates more heat/stress on components. However at 10.5 litres capacity it is as much an oil-cooled engine as a water-cooled one (no helping blast of air explains why most marine engines have higher oil capacities than car engines....)

Limiting the discussion to screw-on canister filters the major differences (apart from physical considerations such as seal dia (which IS the same on these two), screw and space issues) are the filtration media used (cleaning ability) and the capacity (flow oil fast enough and not clog up with particles quickly). Which also means, if the physical connection fits/seals, then in an emergency any filter is usable.....
- So the media inside differs to meet usage conditions - harsh or normal; tropical, temperate or cold (climate & oil viscosity affect filter flow) - and relates to particle sizes and oil flow
- The filter capacity is VERY loosely related to the engine's oil capacity (more or less oil to clean, therefore particles to hold without reducing flow). But a coarser media will require less physical space to flow enough oil. Is this then the difference between 3581621 and 3840525?
One manufacturer of vehicle filters, MANN, uses a great product numbering system to show variants of the same filter (eg WK854/3 and WK854/5) which tells you what kind of media is being used. Whenever I have the choice I opt for the 3581621 as its bigger capacity seems more suited to the engine's large oil capacity (more oil to be flowed/filtered), but I don't worry if I have to fit 3840525.
I would really like to hear a Volvo R&D engineer's explanation of the two!
10-07-2014 11:45 AM
vtsailguy
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Quote:
Originally Posted by subpack View Post
Hi.
Filterfor oil is 3581621 and fuel is 3840525
Is that the right way around?
05-02-2012 01:33 PM
subpack
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Hi.
Filterfor oil is 3581621 and fuel is 3840525
You can get cross reference here.
VOLVO FUEL AND OIL FILTER CROSS REFERENCE - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
Hope that helps.
Oil filter should be changed at least once a year and fuel filter as well. if engine makes black smoke, it is sometimes because of blockage of fuel filter.
Ken J-mech (Diesel Mech)
05-02-2012 01:13 PM
subpack
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

I will post cross reference for oil filter when I get it.
Ken
05-02-2012 01:11 PM
subpack
Re: MD2030 Which Volvo Filter? 3581621 or 3840525

Part numbers for oil and fuel filters MD2030.
Oil filter is 3581621
fuel filter is 3840525
cross reference for fuel filter is Wix 33386
10-11-2011 11:28 PM
airtime I'm not sure when the engineers re-spec'd but the MD2030 I installed new about 10 years ago came with the 3581621. 3581621 is a Volvo part number - not aftermarket so it is the correct filter for the engine now.

I agree with Heartly18 and change the filter annually. I do the filter change at the start of the season with new oil and an oil only change prior to haulout. On the rare seasons where I do get 100 hours on the engine, I do filter and oil at that time in addition to the launch / haulout changes.

Fair Winds

Al
10-11-2011 10:20 PM
Classic30 Peas, that could be true, but since (a) best practice, and the Operating Manual, say to replace the filter when you replace your oil and (b) most sailboat people don't run their engines for anywhere near the 100hour factory-spec interval between changes, having a bigger filter is a waste of money. IMO.

If you have the bigger filter already, I suggest you change both in the spring - for the correct one this time.
10-11-2011 08:59 PM
Peas Thanks for the quick reply.
I went back to the local Penta service centre and they advised that the 3840525 was the original spec and the 3581621 is the new spec, which is a larger capacity filter. Not sure if that is the case, of if it was just what he thought would be a reasonable response as to why my engine had a Volvo 3581621 filter on it.

In any case, I have an engine with fresh oil now and a 1 year old filter. I used the motor for maybe 40 hours...what are thoughts on if that filter will hold for another season, or if I should do another oil change in the spring, when we relaunch our boats?
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