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07-05-2012 10:51 AM
ceddavis
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Have you completely ruled out the Chesapeake? Check out Bohemia Bay Yacht Harbour.

Great facilities, great community, accessible from your location, and both protected sailing for a few hours as well as access to all the activities on the Chesapeake. I am in Malvern, and it's 70-75 minutes away.

Chuck Davis
C&C 24
07-05-2012 12:46 AM
TakeFive
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

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Originally Posted by jboat73 View Post
Ulldah had sent a PM on July 4th in the morning. I would have responded, but the system doesnt let me use pm's yet.

That proposal sounds great to me. I can likely be at the first place 15 min earlier, and can just hang out if I'm early. I have nowhere else to be, so will be happy to ask questions for as long as the two of you are willing to answer them.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.
I just sent you another PM with contact info. There's also a link that shows how to get from I-95 to Anchorage Marina. Please send me your email address so we can follow up.

The normal procedure for fixing PM problems and posting of links is to inflate your post count with junk messages. There are some message threads set up for just that purpose, but I can't find them right now. You should feel free to start a junk thread in the off topic area. We've all been through that, so people will understand.
07-04-2012 11:24 PM
jboat73
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Ulldah had sent a PM on July 4th in the morning. I would have responded, but the system doesnt let me use pm's yet.

That proposal sounds great to me. I can likely be at the first place 15 min earlier, and can just hang out if I'm early. I have nowhere else to be, so will be happy to ask questions for as long as the two of you are willing to answer them.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.
07-03-2012 10:42 PM
TakeFive
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

I just sent a PM to both of you. Let me know whether it's workable.
07-03-2012 10:14 PM
jboat73
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Ulldah,

I received your pm, thanks. I tried to respond, but don't have enough posts yet to use pm's. Anyway, I'll do what you asked on Thursday. Thanks again.
07-03-2012 08:46 PM
jboat73
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Ulldah,

Thanks, but I didn't receive a PM. I have received another one from someone else, so I believe the account is fine to receive PMs.

Is there something else I need to be doing to see it?
07-03-2012 05:55 PM
Ulladh
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

jboat
Sent you a PM with my cell number, OK for Thursday 5th, Fox Grove. The best thanks is to have another sailor on the river.
07-03-2012 01:09 PM
jboat73
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Thank you again to everyone for all of the very helpful insight.

Would anyone be interested in showing me around a marina at Essington in the evening (something like 6:30pm-ish) on Thursday July 5th, Tuesday July 10th or Wednesday July 11th? I don't know what the protocal is to say thank you, but I'd certainly be happy to buy some drinks etc.!
07-02-2012 11:54 PM
TakeFive
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

OK, I've read your other posts over on the other thread, so I know a little more about you. I was going to warn you to take ASA 101 and/or rent some daysailors before buying, but you've already done that, so you're off to a great start.

I love my Catalina 250, and it grows on me every year as I do the little things to make it "my own." I was attracted by many of the same features you are: comfortable cockpit (much roomier than comparably sized Pearson, Hunter, etc.), big enough cabin for the kids or adults to sit comfortably down below if they get bored, tired of being in the cockpit, or too much sun exposure. My wife really wanted a private enclosed head, which made a 25 footer the minimum size that we could consider.

Although Denise encourages you to go a little larger (as she did for me a few years ago), and she has a big-ass O'Day 30 so she "walks the talk" , I personally wouldn't go too large in the river. The larger the boat, the less nimble it is for tacking, and you will do a lot of tacking in the river. Also, if you rent a slip right in the river (as in Essington), maneuvering in the cross currents will get trickier for a larger, heavier boat. The currents are much less of a factor if you take a mooring, and probably also less of a factor in a place like Winters (though skinny water may get you in trouble there with a larger boat).

The C250 is a nice, modern design that favors creature comforts over performance. The high freeboard provides good interior headroom (almost standing in the wing keel version), but also makes the boat tender. You need to be very attentive to gusts and prepared to reduce sail area earlier than you normally would with other boats. However, it still reaches hull speed pretty easily while reefed.

However, the C250 has many detractors who don't like its sailing characteristics. The prior owner of my boat appeared to be scared to get onto the boat to do the test drive (I still believe that something happened to scare him), and the owner prior to him told me he did not like the way this boat sailed compared to the C30 that he owned previously (I actually called him to get additional history on the boat). Those who like the stability that comes with that "heavy boat feel" will have some adjusting to do with the C250. You can get a little more of that feel with the older, heavier C25. It has a little less freeboard than the C250, so is less tender. You should look at both boats before buying.

You are right to take a slip or mooring instead of trailering. Trailering a sailboat each time you use it almost certainly ruins the fun, especially if you have kids waiting impatiently. The only exception to this would be if you have a place that allows you to store the boat/trailer in their yard with the mast up, so you can leave it rigged.

I'll mention one other nice thing about the C250 that I only came to appreciate when I chartered a C36 last week. Its modified B&R rig has no forward lower shrouds. I believe that his was primarily done to make it easier to trailer (only need to detach the forestay to drop the mast), but it also makes the boat tack much easier (especially with a 110 genoa, and a continuous sheet attached via a cow hitch). The C36 that I chartered last week had a 135 genoa and two separate sheets attached via bowline, and the bulky knots would get caught up in the lower shrouds every time we tacked, often requiring me to go forward to unfoul everything. You will do A LOT of tacking in the river, and the C250's combination of modified B&R rig makes tacking easier, especially if you have a smaller genoa and avoid the use of bowlines to attach the sheets.

I was glad to see that you are not spooked by industry. I'm a chemical engineer, so a chemical plant or two on the river does not really bother me (though I try to avoid Paulsboro if the wind is from the south). There is a lot of interesting stuff that happens on the river, from occasional seaplane landings, ospreys and Ospreys at Boeing, a pretty cool looking series of marinas in Essington, cute waterfront houses in a few locations (Navy Yard, Bridgeton, etc.) It's really not a bad compromise in exchange for the benefit of being so close to home, especially if you're primarily doing daysailing. For cruising, you really have to go all the way to the canal before you have anywhere worth stopping. And you do need to be always vigilant about avoiding the commercial traffic, but I've never found that to be excessive.
07-02-2012 08:07 PM
TakeFive
Re: Philadelphia Area Sailing for a Novice on a 25' SK

Obviously I think a C250 is a great starter boat (though there are others that are also good). With the C250 you'll need to decide between water ballast or wing keel, and unless you're willing to wait, you may not get exactly which one you want.

I also think the Delaware River is better than most people give it credit for (i.e., it doesn't suck as much as some say), as long as you plan the currents carefully.

I disagree with Denise a little about this time of year. Even during "the doldrums" there is usually a decent breeze near sunset.

I'll try to post more details later, but I'm out of time for now.
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