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10-15-2011 08:59 PM
Faster If conditions warrant a storm jib it's also likely that even using a furler may become a problem.. KISS....Keep it simple and effective so less can go wrong.
10-15-2011 04:59 PM
groundhog Come to think of it, I have to spend more money even again...

My 60% also is still hank on and is sittin in the back of my ford truck (300k+ mi)....
So I do have to spend more money.

When you put on the 60% jib, (second to last sail), am i at the bow alone while it is bouncing up and down +/- 6 foot?

So my other question is still important and still stands...

If the second sail is not so safe to put up alone, I would prefer to scoot up there and have it on a code-zero.

Code-zero 60% = furl headsail in cockpit, scoot forward. Snap halyard, snap tack, snap sheets. scoot back.

Luff tape 60% jib = unfurl your 100% fully. Scoot forward. pull down and wrestle into hatch. Scoot back get 60%. Scoot forward. Snap tack, snap halyard, snap sheets. prefeed. scoot back. Hoist....maybe scoot forward again cause the prefeed is messed up.... ugh...

See??

So even the 60% sail needs either to be luff tape, or anti-twist, code zero capable...

groundhog
10-15-2011 04:56 PM
mitiempo No, there is no reason to furl a storm jib.

Your idea of hoisting it by itself will work.

A Solent stay is a better idea because you could then raise it from the cockpit after furling the jib. And with a downhaul which is very easy to rig you could also lower it from the cockpit.
10-15-2011 04:51 PM
groundhog Yes. Normally I would just go out and experiment and adjust my sails to my personal preference....

But... My sail is in the shop now. I am spending the money now. Money is comming out of my pocket in the next week.

So the reason I am hoping for some expert advice to guide me so I dont modify the sail incorrectly and then have to spend the same money and modify it again next year.

I dont have the experience yet to know the answer.

I just need the answer to the one question really.
The question was .... Is there ever a reason to want to douse (or furl, or down haul) your final sail?

If so, then I should probably instruct the sailmaker to put the anti-twist line on the storm jib now.

I will be alone on the boat. Not neccessarily on the chesapeake. The question is for anywhere..... in a bad situation. Not necessarily one that is blowing over in 1 hr.

If I average out and try to extract bits of info in all the above posts, sounds like I should just take the cheap, less complicated route and do as the sailmaker originally suggested.

Thank you...
groundhog
10-15-2011 01:07 PM
SVAuspicious In my opinion you are thinking too much and sailing too little. Get some experience with what you have and the "advice" you are getting from books and magazines will be easier to interpret.

A few thoughts on your questions:

The ATN Gale Sail is a fundamentally bad idea. The videos on the ATN site are in benign conditions. Consider heaving that thing up on the foredeck with the bow bouncing up and down five or six feet, coordinating with someone at the mast on halyard hoist as you wrap the luff around the furled foresail. Add the bulk of the leading edge of the Gale Sail and you have an inefficient sail that is a nightmare to deploy.

The concept of your smallest sail needing a furler is counter intuitive. Consider a downhaul instead.

If you want a storm sail the advice of your Annapolis sailmaker is good. If, as I infer, you are in the middle Chesapeake Bay, major storm systems are forecast and you stay home. For summer thunderstorms you are more likely to roll up your foresail, reef the main, pull the main in tight, and motor into the wind until it blows through. It doesn't take long.

I agree with the point above that the 150 is pretty big for a (presumably) short-handed cruising boat and a 135 is a better choice, but you already have the 150 so just sail with it.

What sort of boat, how heavy, and where do you sail out of?
10-15-2011 12:41 PM
mitiempo Groundhog

By the time you are down to your smallest storm jib I doubt you will be motoring.

I would skip the furler and install a Solent stay. Just as easy to use and a lot less expensive. When you need a storm jib is not the time to be messing with setting up a furler, especially on the deck of a small boat in heavy seas.

Unless your budget is unlimited of course.
10-15-2011 11:20 AM
groundhog Is there a reason for me to invest in a code-zero swivel and furler hardware for my 2nd to last sail, the 60%? In conditions waranting a 60% jib, would you want minimum time on foredeck to pull down the previous sail? Thus warranting the code-zero where you can just furl up the harken furler and clip on the code-zero with the 60% and quickly run back to cockpit to hoist?
10-15-2011 11:15 AM
groundhog Is there ever a reason to douse or furl your final sail?
Or do you just leave it up and hove-to or motor sail with it on?
Is there an advantage or situation where you want the sail down and wish to only motor?
groundhog
27 ft albin vega, pocket cruiser
10-15-2011 02:05 AM
Faster You have a furler... changing headsails on a furler is basically a bare-headed operation (unlike a racing foil where you can hoist one before dropping the other).

Unlike hanked-on sails, a luff tape sail is difficult to contain on deck, esp shorthanded, and esp in deteriorating conditions. A better plan would be to make the best guess for which sail you'll need and set that one up before you head out.

I think you'd be best to get a versatile inventory.. chances are if you really need a storm sail you likely wouldn't be heading out that day, esp at this early stage.

However if you choose to do so it sounds like your sailmaker's plan ( using a temporary synthetic stay) is worth a try.
10-15-2011 01:22 AM
overbored The sailmaker idea is a good one if you really have the need for a stormsail. also keep in mind that a twin groove headsail foil can not be used if you have the sail on the top furler swivel. if you put up a different sail before lower the one on the furler you will not be able to lower the first sail. twin groovefoils are mostly for racing when you don't use the roller feature. unless you have a furler with two halyards that are built into the foil. haylards on the mast will not work. some use the twin groove to run two headsails wing and wing when going down wind.
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