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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#1,627 · (Edited)
Do you have heard about Far east boats, a Chinese boat manufacturer?:

Founded in 2002, Shanghai Far East FRP Boat Co., Ltd. is recognized as the biggest dinghy builder in China. The goal is to produce various high quality sailboats and boat fittings for our customers. "Even better than our faith is the honesty of our objective."

In the same year, Far East was licensed by the International Sailing Federation (ISAF) to build the Optimist and now have become the biggest Optimist builder in the world with a yearly capacity of approximately 2000 Optimist hulls.

More recently, Far East also became an ISAF licensed builder of the 420 and started the plan to diversify the product range to Kayak and other sailboats.
Far East is also the sole distributor of Laser in the mainland China and serves China's national sailing team in their daily training and regatta performance.


I bet this guys are going to upgrade to yacht construction and make good boats.

I have saw last year in Dusseldorf its first cruiser, a 26ft boat and I thought How!!! what a boat and looked to see who made that little beauty and saw Far East Boats???? I thought: another European or American small company making boats in china. Well I was wrong, it's an already Chinese big company with lot's of know how, inclusive from competition, that is starting to make bigger boats, and this one is quite a start.

The boat is designed by Simonis Voogd and it is a very interesting boat:

Fareast 26

Technical specifications
Length Overall: 8.38m
Length Hull: 7.92m
Water line length: 7.17m
Beam: 2.55m
Draft Max:. 1.70m

Displacement: 1655kg
Mainsail Area: 23.2 m2
Furling Jib Area: 14 m2
Spinnaker Area: 57.4 m2
Sail Area Total Upwind: 37.20m2
Sail Area Total Downwind: 80.60 m2
Engine: Outboard

The Fareast 26 is already a sucesseful One Design Class in China competing in the China Cup International Regatta.

The boat has a top construction with vacuum infusion, cored and with epoxy resins. It is not me that says that, it's the boat architect that is not a small one and would never tell lies about it. Listen also on the movie to the ingenuity of the Chinese girl. The funny thing is that I believe her. This boat if adequately distributed is going to be a success, on Europe and in the States.

Transported to Germany the basic boat with 17% German VAT is only 35 000€.

Look at the movie with the Architect and their sales manager, a young girl:)

Movie:


And the sailing movie:



















Beautiful boat isn't it? I bet this one will be available in the USA soon and at this price I believe it is going to be a winner, there and in Europe;).

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#1,628 · (Edited)
On a recent populat thread about the more popular voyage boats I have said that probably the most popular French one is the OVNI but that the RM sailboats were gaining popularity.

The RM offer a less strong boat and I mean against hitting submerged objects (epoxy/plywood versus aluminum) but a much more faster alternative. RM are almost as fast as fast cruiser racers and are made with voyage in mind.

Well, it seems that they are now even more popular:D

On these crisis days with manufacturer closing doors and others in trouble, RM has all next year production for its new boat almost completely booked.

There would be nothing special about this if the boat were already made for costumers having a look, but the first one is still on the making. They have started the comercialization in September and before the main boat shows (Hamburg, Paris, Dusseldorf) they have already booked 5 from the nine they have capacity to build each year, I mean, just this model, the new 1260.









And it is not only the French that are buying them, 3 of the five are going abroad;)

I have test sailed the previous boat, the 1200 and it was not just what I was looking for but if I was looking for a long range voyager this would be the boat I would have, not that I would not chose other if I had the money for it, but this is the one that is fast, well made and afordable.

And it is not only this one, the smaler boat, also thought with voyage in mind, the RM 1060 that come out in September 2010 had already 32 commands with 19 boats delivered. There is a waiting list of more than a year for that one;)

 
#1,630 · (Edited)
Crisis or no crisis if we look to today's production from the past, I mean let's say 50 years ago, in what regards living amenities, today's boats are luxury boats, even the most humble Beneteaus and Bavarias.

When I started cruising I had a 25ft 80 years old traditional boat wooden boat with a deck but a bare interior, with siting height and we cruise (me and my wife) and live in the boat for 2 months each year and we did not cruise for more time because we had to work. The boat had no radio, no electronics, just a compass and luxury for us were small battery operated removable navigation lights that permits us to navigate at night. And even if we take shelter on protected or semi protected waters for most of the cruising we crossed each year hundreds of open ocean waters, many times with land out of sight.

At that time if he got the hands in a boat like the Fareast 26 I would fell that I could circumnavigate in it:D. Times changed but what really changed, in what regards boats and living conditions, is our mentality and the good things in life we are not willing to pass without, like a freezer or enough electricity to have light at night or running electronics.

Many years ago passed by my port a Scottish guy that was living his dream. A damn good sailor and a professional sailing teacher. He was circumnavigating in a small boat, a beautiful boat (28ft?): No engine, no freezer, no electronics. He did it successively and he looked very pleased with his boat and with his good luck that had permitted him to live his dream.

Bottom line, the Fareast 26 looks not only very fast but also seaworthy to me. The designer says that it is a medium displacement boat and even if the Ballast of the boat does not appear nowhere, I would say that it is a a boat with a relatively high B/D ratio and that with all the lead in a bulb 1.7m below should give it a lot of righting moment and a good reserve stability.

I would have loved to have a boat like that in my youth and I can tell you that I would not use it for daysailing, but for cruising and some racing;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,631 · (Edited)
New yacht, another 38, the Saare 38. Definitively 38 ft boats seams to have a lot of demand:D. The Saare 38 is a medium displacement boat and a direct concurrent of XC 38 and Halberg Rassy 372. the boat weights 8500kg, almost the same as the XC 38, and its biggest argument is price. No, it is not a cheap boat but it is less expensive than other Nordic boats;).

The interior quality seems very good but the construction specifications are only good but nothing special. The boat don't uses vacuum injection, neither epoxy or an interior carbon or steel grid, just a GRP grid on an hand laminated sandwich hull with vinilester resins on the outer skin, and 19mm balsa on the core.

Saare 38 main dimensions

MAIN 41.1 m2
GENOA 45.2 m2 (140%)
FORETRI. 32.2 m2
SPIN. 100 m2

Beam max 3.64 m
Draft 1.95 m
Displacement 8 500 kg
Keel (all lead) 3 050 kg





















This is a seaworthy boat with a very good B/D ratio, a very good interior and also a good looking boat designed along classical lines, a boat that can be the right choice for the ones that want a good quality bluewater boat for a nice price. The boat costs with 17% German VAT (Basic price) around 243 000€ and a decently equipped boat will cost about 266 000€. This can seem a lot but the XC 38 costs a lot more.

The NA says about this boat:

"The goal in designing the Saare 38 was to provide a well-balanced and stiff yacht that is a pleasure to sail even with limited crew and in demanding conditions. The hull reflects the latest thinking with a low resistance hull shape that has the ability to carry the necessary load without losing in cruising comfort or sailing performance both upwind and downwind.

The general layout emphasizes spaciousness and functionality with the high freeboard and roomy cabin. Even with the open spaces, the interior provides excellent support for extreme conditions with good access to key areas.

The makeup of the Saare 38 employs well-proven concepts together with a carefully optimized use of materials. The Saare 38 is stiff, steady and reliable."

Karl-Johan Stråhlmann


Here you have a movie about the boat:



And a good test sail by the German magazine yacht:

http://www.blueocean.fi/tests/Saare38_Yacht-Test_19-2011.pdf

And you can compare with its main rival, the XC 38

Test sail XC 38 by YachtingMonthly:

http://www.x-yachts.dk/uploads/xc_38review.pdf

and a movie :

XC 38: neuer Cruiser: Der goldene Schnitt aus Dänemark - YACHT-TV*|*YACHT.DE

.....
 
#1,632 ·
Very "HR"-ish isn't she? Looks nice despite the 'low tech' aspect. Plenty of handholds below, reasonable storage. The table's a bit obstructive, but that's the nature of that configuration. Still 'yachty' enough for me! ;):)
 
#1,633 · (Edited)
I guess you are talking about the new line of Aft cockpits from the HR (372 and the new 40)? Yes it is similar and also similar with the X yachts line of cruising boats, the XC line.

You can see on the movie that table folds over the other side and leaves a nice space. That's the new trend with tables. The first one was the Jeanneau 409 and now lots of boats following including the new Grand Soleil 39 and Solaris 37. The Salona has one of those on the 44 and I ask them to make one for the 38. We will see.

I like the boat but for me is too Mercedes or BMW. I like more Porches:D

Compare it with this one, also a new one a 37ft, called 10.98, from Italia Yachts:

















As you can see both boats share a very classical look with a hull with the beam not too much pulled back but the similarities end there. This one that also has a good interior, more on the minimalist side, weights about half what the Saare 38 weights;)

Tecnichal specifications:
Length over all: 11,29 mt. (37,04 ft.)
Hull length: mt. 10,98 (36,02 ft.)
Waterline length: mt. 9,65 (31,66 ft.)
Beam max: mt. 3,65 (11,97 ft.)
Draft: mt. 1,90 (6,23 ft.)
Displacement: kg 4.500
Ballast: kg 1.500
Engine: Lombardini 20 Hp (Lombardini engine 30 hp optional)
Mainsail + Jib: 72 mq
Mainsail + Gennaker: 135 mq

Of course that implies a more hi-tech construction the and the use of vinylester resin not only on the last layers but everywhere:

"Hull and deck are constructed in sandwich with differentiated density PVC core; the unidirectional and biaxial E-glass fibres are laminated with vinylester resin. The lamination is carried out at controlled temperature between 16 and 25°.The collar of the mast is structural.There is a structural carbon reinforced frame glued and laminated to the hull bottom. A structural carbon box dissipates the shrouds load to the hull and deck."

They say about the boat:

Italia 10.98 is a new boat built by a shipyard able to boast a fifty-years long experience. It is well manufactured to last a lifetime. Waterlines and sailing plan are the brainchild of Maurizio Cossutti and they are made to ensure an incomparable navigation experience.

The wide teak cockpit, the sundeck and the perfect location of the manoeuvres on deck: nothing is left random to ensure great sailing simplicity both in cruising and racing. The luminous and comfortable interiors, finished in precious teak wood, are among the widest and richest of innovative solutions in its category.

and some movies:





The guy that test sailed the Salona 38 with me (in Croatia) was undicided between the Salona 38 and this one. I guess that he chose this one. He was Italian and wanted a cruising boat that could make well in club racing and both boats will do that, but this one should be a rocket, specially with weak winds.

If I do not intended to cross the Atlantic and sail without limits, If I just sailed on the med I guess that I would also chose this one. As it is not the case I prefer the Salona 38 that is just between this one (more 2000kg) and the Saare 38 (less 2000kg).

I am afraid that the Italia 10.98 is not strong enough for the beating a boat can have on an Ocean passage but maybe I am wrong, maybe the boat is strong enough but I am sure the Salona is stronger.

The Salona (the upgraded version) not only is built with the same hi-tech materials and techniques as have also a grid (a stainless steel one) not only for the shrouds, but also for the keel. The Salona also uses vacuum infusion that is the way to get maximum strength with the lowest weight.

Maybe I am wrong, but using the same hi-tech materials and techniques, if a boat is considerably heavier, assuming it is well built, it can only be stronger;).

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,636 · (Edited)
Another nice performance cruiser to be presented at the Hamburg boat show, the Pacer 400.

The boat can be delivered in three versions, an upgraded cruiser one at 209 560 € a lighter one in epoxy resin for 236 450 € and a race version with carbon fiber mast for 293 990 € (prices with 17% German VAT).

They use high tech materials and building techniques specially on the upgraded versions. On the Cheaper version they use on Hull and Decks Vinylester composites. On the upgraded versions the Hull is built using vacuum bagged hand lay-up before the hardening process starts, and is post cured after it has left the mould. The laminated construction consists of hydrolysis - proof epoxy resin, multidirectional fabrics and foam as sandwich material. Internally the laminate is sealed using topcoat.

The interior seems a lot better than on the 376, their other model that was already brought to Europe.

The boat is light and powerful and should be very fast.

TECHNICAL INFORMATION

Length Overall 12.04m
Length WaterLine 11.03m
Beam 3.75m
Draft 2.4m (std T Keel)
Displacement 5700kg to 6350kg
Engine Size (STD) 30hp

SAIL AREAS (Std Rig and Sail Plan)

Mainsail 48.6m
Code 1 Jib 36m2
Spinnaker Masthead 120m2

A very interesting sailboat;)











 
#1,637 · (Edited)
Finally Bavaria seems to have got it right with the Bavaria Vision 46. I hope the rest of the line, particularly the 40, will be as well designed as this one. And for once this Bavaria has a warm and well designed interior;)

The boat is going to be presented at Dusseldorf in January, it is expected to be a well equipped boat and will cost about 20 000€ less than the Jeanneau 45DS, its main competitor. The price with 17% German Vat tax will be around 208 000€, a fair price for what seems to be a nice and innovative boat.





Movie:

 
#1,638 ·
Hi Paulo,

Couple of questions I ask when buying a boat. What are you using it for? and How much?Looks (to an extent)

I dont know how people sail here but its about weeknight races and weekend regattas(if theres one)/family cruising. Now if you have a limited budget, I cant see how you wont have a look at the Fareast.

Because truthfully, the only boats you can have (weeknight racing/crusing) for that amount are 20 year old boats (c&c's, CS, Mirages, Tartans, Pearsons, Contessas, Older Beneteau first series in the great lakes). Now you introduce a boat like the Fareast 26 for $50k approx and it changes the game.

The question is simple, get a 30 year old boat or a new boat for the same intent of use for near the same price. It would be a travesty if they cant market this boat coz it practically sells itself. I'm fairly young, and this is the type of boat that target my demographic.
 
#1,640 · (Edited)
Yes the varianta is very interesting for the price. It is really a pity that the boat has not an option for an anchor locker and a closed cockpit locker (the one they have opens directly to a cabin). That would not cost a lot of money and would really open other horizons ti that boat, that is a seaworthy and fast boat. For the ones interested there are posts in this thread about the boat.

MOVIE:



Even the Varianta 18 is interesting for the program the Chimbatete describes and it only costs 11 000€

Varianta Segelyachten - from Dehler with love

Movies:

Varianta 18 Vilma - HD - YouTube

Varianta-18.de Sailing 20 FSA Segelsport.avi - YouTube

Varianta-18.de Sailing-6 - YouTube

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,642 ·
Some posts back I have talked about the Bavaria Vision 46. One of its concurrent in the market is the Jeanneau 44 DS that cost about the same.

On this movie (voile and voiliers) we can see a very interesting comparison between the Jeanneau 44ds and the Jeanneau 439, both new boats. Maybe you don't know but they share the same hull;).

The film is French but even if you don't understand you have just to look to find the differences. According with the type of sailors each boat is aimed, the 439 has battened mail with more sail area and the 44ds a furling main.

Besides the exterior look a more difficult movement on the deck, less sail area and the superior wind lateral force (and wave if it hits the boat laterally) on the 44ds the main differences on the interior are the number of steps you have to come down (5 to 3), the felling on the saloon (not necessarily good), the interior design and most of all the much superior back cabin and that is without any doubt a big advantage.

Its up to each sailor to decide if he would trade that back cabin and more light on the saloon to the sailing disadvantages since the difference in price is small, about 3000€. Both boats seem very well designed to me;)

Movie:

La WebTV de Voiles et Voiliers - Les vidéos

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#1,644 · (Edited)
The world's fastest cruising yacht

Finot/conq had won an international competition to design the fastest cruising yacht. The boat is a 100ft and is designed for 12 passengers and 3 crew members:

General dimensions

Hull length 30.48m
Beam 8.30m
Draft 5.40m / 3.00m lifting
Displacement 51t
Keel 15t
Water ballasts 9.5t each side
Upwind sail area 690m2
Downwind sail area 1400m2
Fresh water tanks 2000l
Fuel tanks 4000l
Engine 300 CV
Materials Carbon - Epoxy - Nomex - SAN foam

Finot says about the boat:

To attain this goal, the yacht will be a real "Open" typed boat, with a chined hull, probably wider than on any other 100 footer. The lifting keel will allow a deeper draft while sailing, and the boat will be entirely made of carbon, with Nomex interiors, to keep the displacement at a minimum. The mast will rise to 46+ metres above the waterline, and will feature runners to allow for a square-top mainsail. Lateral waterballasts, of more than 9 tons each side, increase the boat's power and limit the heel.

The deck features a huge cockpit, with a guests area, a technical area and a large aft sundeck. The dinghy garage door also serves as a bathing platform. The panoramic coachroof allows a 360° vision to the sea from the deck saloon. The owner's and guests cabins (all but one) are located in front of this saloon. Aft, there is another guests cabin, a technical compartment, the galley, and a comfortable living area for the crew, with a mess, two cabins and two bathrooms.

The boat will be built by Maxi Dolphin, in Italy. François Boucher is the Project Manager.

The general design, shapes, style, appendages, structures, etc are entirely made in-house by finot-conq, as well as the interior architecture.

Decoration will be done by Pierre Frutschi, and the structural validation by Paolo Manganelli of SP.


Look at this beauty;):















Just a comment. I really hate to see those 100ft racing with 25 crew members sitting on the side as ballast. That seems to me slave labor:D and makes no sense on today's world. This one has more than 9000 kg of water ballast on each side, maximized by a considerable beam. That would correspond to about 100 crew members sitting on the side;)
 
#1,645 · (Edited)
Many here would agree with this:

"... among the many things I had learnt was, a bigger boat doesn't make you happier, but it cost more not only to build but also in upkeep. It is also more difficult to manoeuvre and find a place for in harbour. It shore has many advantages like speed and carrying capacity and prestige but they did not mean much for me, so weighing it al together as one has to do I understood that my values and my heart favoured the small one."

But hardly someone would think on one of those to cruise offshore:



and much less to cross the Atlantic.

Well, at the nice age of 72 Yrvind is doing it!

A crazy and irresponsible guy that don't know nothing about sailing and the sea?!!!! Well, a bit crazy he may be but also an incomparably more experienced sailor than myself and probably you. He is doing it AGAIN.:D

Sven Yrvind (born April 22, 1939 in Gothenburg, Sweden as Sven Lundin) is a Swedish sailor, boat builder, and writer. He is famous for sailing alone across oceans in tiny boats of his own design.

Yrvind designs and builds the boats he sails. The boats lack all forms of electronic communications equipment.

Yrvind built his first boat 'Bris I' in his mothers basement 1971-1972. The boat's size was determined by the size of the basement: length 6.00 meter, width 1.72m, depth 0.40/0.90m.

'Bris II' was built 1976-1978 with the dimensions length 5.90 meter, width 2.40m, depth 1.40m.

A later boat, 'Yrvind', at an ambitious 4.1m, eventually turned out to be too small and too slow to make major ocean passages in cold waters.

Yrvind has made several ocean crossings in his tiny boats. In 1980, Yrvind rounded Cape Horn in 'Bris II', a 20'/5.90m boat of his own design, alone and in the middle of winter, a record for smallest boat to round the Cape. This achievement won Yrvind the 1980 Royal Cruising Club medal for seamanship. In the Roaring Forties he allegedly collided with a whale.

Sven set sail in 'Yrvind 1/2' for Florida on August 11th, 2011.

Sven Yrvind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it is still at the middle of the Ocean. He had arrived safely at Madeira and sailed away at 12 October. I fear for him because this year the Atlantic is particularly bad. The guys from the Jacques Fabre Transat, not very far away from were he is got 60K winds and huge winds. One open 60 broke and sank and many other boats, crippled, had to retire from the race and return to Açores.

You can follow is route here:

Welcome to Sven Yrvind- the official website

Now about the boat that seems very interesting to me, it has 4.8 meter and it is inspired by Matt Layden's "Paradox"

PARADOX.

The boat is built with divinycell, fiberglass, carbon fiber and epoxy and it is a lot nicer than paradox:). One of the interesting features is the absence of keel, centerboard or any movable foils. The boat can go upwind siting on especially designed chines, a system invented by Layden.

Take a look at the boat (movie):



And don't miss this:

My Life

This is the autobiographic life story of Yrvind and it should be made in a book. It is truly amazing. I would say that I was reading a story by Kurt Vonnegut, except this one is for real:D What a character, what a story!!!;)
 
#1,656 · (Edited)
I had missed that one. Obviously Yrvind gives a lot of thought to each detail and this boat has good materials everywhere, lots of carbon.

While I was looking at it I found this one with Bris, its older boat, a much less researched one to my eyes, but that nonetheless had taken him and is Girl first from France to Ireland and then from France to Terra Nova (New found land).

What I really found delicious is the way he found to transport the boat:D



Regards

Paulo
 
#1,647 · (Edited)
Beautiful and fast boat, the Grand Soleil 39 and with a good cruising interior, I really like this one;):









I have already posted about this one but I could not resist to these nice images and there is a new test sail and a movie of it by the sail magazine SoloVela. Once again very nice, a boat that will not go out of fashion because it is not fashionable , it is just classic. Its has the simplicity and beauty of a truly great design.

Take a look at the movie, a nice one:



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#1,649 · (Edited)
For the ones that "feel" that light boats are not strong enough I have something to show: A movie with the incredible rescue of a boat from the beach.

The story is simple, one of the racers from the last mini transat just closed the eyes and as he was very tired he sleep a bit more than what he intended and end up on the beach.

After finishing a lot of other solo racers went to give a help and with a fishing boat pulling they managed to put the boat on the water.

The images are impressive and this was the second rescue attempt (the first one failed). That boat not only suffered from being battered by waves and breakers (bad weather, this day was the one with the better sea) and from being pulled two times and yet the only damage was on the rudders.

Congratulations to the structures shipyard, the ones that make the Pogo (the boat was a mini Pogo 2), for the quality and resistance of its boats and congratulations to the team spirit and solidarity of the mini racers;)

The MOVIE (from Voile et Voiliers):

http://www.voilesetvoiliers.com/les-videos/mini-transat-650-incroyable-desechouage-de-renaud-mary-/

Actually that solo sailor made a mistake: He let, relatively near the coast, the boat in autopilot in wind mode while taking a nap. I now that wind mode is very convenient but when you take a nap neat the coast it is a forbidden thing. The wind can change (and it changed) and the boat just follows the wind and in this case the wind just take it to the shore breakers resulting in a hard landing on the beach.
 
#1,650 · (Edited)
I don't like center cockpits in small boats. In less than 45 ft they just make the boat high and ugly and even 45 is a bit small for a nice sailboat.

Saare has released recently its new 38 and frankly the boat looks a lot better to me than its first boat, the center cockpit Saare 41.

Well not anymore, the Estonian shipyard has just announced a remake of the 41, but now as a aft cockpit boat.

It is much better looking, 600kg lighter, it will be a better sailboat and even without the 600kg, not a light one with its 9.9 of displacement.





The basic price is 327 600 € (including 17%VAT) but the boat will come with a lot of equipment like teak deck, AGM batteries and a diesel heater. Not cheap if compared with a jeanneau 409 but a lot less expensive than a Malo a Najad a Halberg Rassy or a X Yacht.

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#1,651 ·
Do you know Saffier daysailors and week-end cruisers? They are well known in Europe since the smaller one won last year the European boat of the year contest. Saffier is a small Dutch shipyard specialized in high quality daysailors and weekend cruisers.

The boat are classic in appearance but have a modern bulbed keel and a spade rudder, are light and made with modern materials. The wooden old loock is just that, a look;)

The one I like more is the classic 10m week-end sailing boat that really is a beauty:









http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy322/Paulo_Carvalho/Saffier_Sc10
m_009.jpg















The boat is light and has a high D/B ratio (it needed to have with that narrow hull) and contrary to what one could except is not boring to sail, just take a look at this movie from a sail test from Zeilen magazine :eek::

MOVIE:

Saffier Sc 10M - Sport - Video - Zie.nl

Technical specifications Sc 10 m.

length 10,00 meter
width 2,50 meter
draught 1,13 meter
total weight 2,4 ton
keel weight 1 ton
mainsail 23,5 m2
jib 15,2 m2
light weather Genua 19,8 m2
gennaker 58 m2
spinnaker 52 m2
 
#1,655 · (Edited)


A post about a really extreme boat, a narrow one:D, a boat that is commercialized in America, is designed by an Australian and is made in Singapore: the Admiralty 30 OD.

The boat has a deep draft and a very strangely designed bulb. I think that it is designed to creates an up-force and that helps the boat to plan sooner.







This movie was made with a a Swede one, imported by a local racer. He have been racing it with success. Jimmy Hellberg was close to win with it the big class in the Round Gotland offshore race (2th) one of the biggest races in Sweden.



He says about the boat:

"It's pretty damn funny when you sometimes can keep the same speed of a 50fter in a small 30-footer ."

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I'm used to plan and sail alone, as I sail a lot of surfing and the IOM (radio-controlled boat). I think that sailing should be fun, easy and inexpensive and does not involve as many people. Because then becomes increasingly complicated. After having taken some bigger boats I got tired of constantly pick up the crew and found the Admiralty 30 - a perfect boat is really fast even though you are alone or with two sails.

The narrow hull cleaves efficiently waves resulting in a very comfortable ride, even in rough seas, and the long foredeck makes it surprisingly dry back in the cockpit. The hull has almost no form stability, the stability is provided by the deep and 700 kg heavy bulb, making the boat heeled a lot initially but then the boat starts to get a lot of RM and ends up to be very stiff.

the boat is easy it to sail with littlet work. It has a self-tacking furler jib, fixed bowsprit, gennaker instead of spinnaker, mainsail with a fathead and without back brace ...The boat is completely focused on racing and Jimmy has already sailed Gotland Runt with it.



There is hardly a cabin but there is enough space under the deck to take a nap and get shelter. It is never boring as in a larger boat whenthe only thing to do is often just sitting on the rail. Here you are constantly active.

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Because you can raise the keel and the rudder is in a cartridge the boat can easily be trailed.





The boat is extreme but fantastically exciting to sail and I think you get a lot of boat for the money.

Technical characteristics

LOA 29' 11" 900 cm

LWL 27' 11 851 cm

Beam 5' 8" 173 cm

Draft (keel down) 7' 2" 220 cm

Draft (keel up) 2' 4" 71 cm

Displacement 2,425 lbs 1,100 kg

Ballast 1,543 lbs 700 kg

Sail Area 430 sf 40 sm

Spinnaker Area 612 sf 53 sm

SA/DSPL 30.63

It uses as auxiliary just a small outboard and that will give it plenty power.



The boat price in the States is $51,995.00-
 
#1,657 ·
They had already shown a sketch but these are the first realistic drawings of the Dufour 36 performance and it looks a very promising boat. It looks beautiful to me ;)







Technical Specifications

LOA : 10,99 m
LWL : 10,21 m
Beam: 3,61 m
Draft: 2,20 m
Weight: 6,4 t
Ballast/ratio: 1,9 t / 31%
Main sail: 40,6 m²
Genoa (114%): 31,5 m²

The boat with a beam of 3,61m and a 31% ballast ratio, with all the ballast down in a bulb down at 2.2m, is going to be stiff. 31% does not appear to be a lot but that 31% would correspond to a much bigger number if the boat had instead a non bulbed fin keel with a smaller draft.

With a similar keel and with the bulb 25cm up (less 25cm of draft) the Jeanneau 379 has a B/D ratio of 26,5%. No, it is not the Jeanneau that has a bad B/D ratio. On another thread with some basic calculations I estimated that ratio would roughly correspond to the same GZ of the Catalina 385.

It really is the new Dufour that will be a very stiff boat. I hope they will not change those numbers;)
 
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