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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#1,113 · (Edited)
And hard to believe, but X-Yachts hulls will be made in Poland, plus R&D center...

The facility's annual turnover, with its 100% of production destined for export, is estimated to reach EUR60 million (PLN250 million). The facility is situated within the Suwałki Special Economic Zone (the Gołdap subzone). The company, which has already started co-operation with local subcontractors, will invest EUR15 million and the project is expected to generate 80 jobs.

Danish X-Yachts invests in Poland - Website of Trade and Investment Promotion Sections of Polish Embassies
 
#1,114 ·
That are news to me:) . But I understand the need. Denmark is one of the most expensive countries in Europe and building a boat there has to be expensive. Let's hope that can bring X-yachts prices down.

Poland is not new to Yacht building and they have been improving quality. They have a good workmanship. One of their brands, perhaps the best known, the Delphia, has released recently a boat that has a place on this thread, the new 47. Competes on the market with Jeanneau, Oceanis and Dufour and the quality is not inferior. It has a better B/D and it is a stiffer boat....and also a very well designed boat.

Take a look:











Regards

Paulo
 
#1,117 ·
Yes, and they are already cutting costs:

the first 10 boats offered for a modest 284 000 EUR free of VAT.

and it is working:

The series production is already well underway and the first nine - of the 23 pre-sold units - are all Expected To Be Delivered to Their Worldwide new owners before the summer holidays in late July.

s/y Piranija » Xp-44 KlaipÄ-doje!

It seems that I am not the only one that likes this boat a lot. 23 boats sold before anyone has saw it is amazing on these difficult days, specially considering that it is not the typical cruiser. It seems that there are an increasing number of sailors looking for performance cruisers:). Market is being split in two ways: the ones that want a boat to cruise/race and for the pleasure of sailing and the ones that want mostly a floating home that can sail and be moved around.

Let's see if they can maintain quality. This practice of manufacturing in other European countries it's common policy in the auto market where cars are manufactured a bit everywhere in Europe (components) and then assembled in several different countries. Nobody cares where it is made because quality control is very high everywhere.

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,118 · (Edited)
Let's see if they can maintain quality. This practice of manufacturing in other European countries it's common policy in the auto market where cars are manufactured a bit everywhere in Europe (components) and then assembled in several different countries. Nobody cares where it is made because quality control is very high everywhere.
Quality control will be major challenge. One more interesting picture. Could it be one from new factory in Poland? I guess it is, on the first boat hull windows are glued in, on the middle one interior parts are installed. Looks like full assembly line...

 
#1,120 · (Edited)
Yes, looks like a beautiful boat but I think they have some problems producing and selling the boats (Santa Cruz). I have posted about the Santa Cruz 43 way back, before the Xp 44 and I have not yet seen a real boat. The site has no pictures of a boat (only designs) and I cannot find any picture of the boat on the internet. I don't think they have made one :(

Santa Cruz Yachts - Velocity Matters

On their site they don't talk about the 52 and on the Farr site it is advertised on Farr Yacht Sales?!!! Are Farr advertising a boat plan that can be made by Santa Cruz? Can someone more familiar with this kind of business practices explain this to me? Seems kind of odd.







Regards

Paulo
 
#1,121 ·
Paulo,

The SC43 From what I have heard, has not been made. Farr may be the designer of the SC52, trying to get SC to build it?!?!? anyway, not sure which is which.....

Then the SC37 has not taken off like they hoped either. Then again, C&C has a 131 design, no takers for 3 yrs. Taten came out with a 4000, which is the C&C121 hull, with a differen keel/deck interior and rigging setup........

Marty
 
#1,122 · (Edited)
Paulo,

...Then again, C&C has a 131 design, no takers for 3 yrs. Taten came out with a 4000, which is the C&C121 hull, with a differen keel/deck interior and rigging setup........

Marty
Hey Marty need your help here. I have been looking at the new Tartan 4000 and I have many doubts.

Let's see if I can understand it rightly: The new Tartan 4000 is going to replace the Tartan 4100, a 1996 Tim Jacket designed boat, and is going to use a 1999 designed hull, also by Tim Jacket?

They advertise in Tartan top of the shelve materials and building techniques:

"The Tartan 4000 design embodies all of the recent Tartan leading technologies and advanced performance cruising conveniences. CCR (Cruise Control Rig), carbon fiber mast, boom and rudder, infused BPA epoxy composite hull and deck, all lead low center of gravity bulb keels give cruising performance advantages that other builders cannot match".

and then offer a 40ft boat that in its more oriented performance version (fin keel) weights 8892 kg when the 1999 C&C 121, that has a good cruising interior, weights 6622Kg? More 2 200Kg over a 12 years old boat, and pretends to be a cruising performance boat? A Jeanneau 409 weights 7450kg!!!!

Looking at the old Tartan 4100 I can see a Classical designed boat that don't pretend to be a performance boat but just a fast modern Classic, a timeless design and a good looking boat to my eyes:







Looking to the new Tartan 4000 I see a boat that looks like a 90's North European performance cruiser (but more beamier):







And amazingly the 12 years older C&C 121 (that has the same hull) looks a lot more modern and nicer to me:







So Marty, give me a help here to understand better the US sailboat market. What is the sailing market that they pretend to target with an expensive boat that they advertise as a performance cruiser, but that is in fact heavy and beamy and looks like a 15 year luxury old boat? Do you think that such market exists?

I would rather have the old Tartan 4100, at least I would have a very nice good looking boat:rolleyes:

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,123 ·
Paulo,

Not sure what the thinking i either, other than someone is making MAY mistakes at the company! Shoot, a Catalina is probably better designed etc froma price point, maybe even Hunter, at least neither of them tries to say the boat is NOT what it is not!

Marty
 
#1,124 · (Edited)
First major race for the Dehler 41, The North Sea race, run with stormy weather, strong winds and a lot of upwind sailing. No the Dehler did not win but has made a great race. On IRC1 the winner was a Ker 46, a racing boat, followed by a Salona 42 and the Dehler 41. But as usual I am more interested in real performance than handicapped performance and regarding that the Dehler even beat the older Salona and both boats made a hell of a race. Let me post some results in real time just to be able to compare:

Kerr 46 - 20:10:55

Dehler 41 - 23:48:20

Salona 42 - 23:57:59

Class 40 - 1Day 00:05:48

Class 40 - 1Day 03:20:56

J -133 - 1Day 00:42:42

J 109 - 1Day 03:07:42

J 109 - 1Day 03:22:32

Sidney 39 - 1Day 01:04:03

Dehler 39 - 1Day 04:11:25

Dufour 45e - 1Day 01:51:59

X-43 - 1Day 04:09:27

S&S 41 - 1Day 04:50:01

Swan 44 - 1Day 05:39:07

To give a measure of how good those times are, just compare it with the time of a Swan 42 (racing) - 23:33:47 and with the performance of another recent Swan a 45 (and one of the fastest cruiser-racers around) -23:18:07.

Boats like The Salona 42 (or 41), Dehler 41 or First 40 are the boats to beat on offshore races when things get though and a lot of upwind sailing is requeired;)

Sailing Results

Take a look at the weather (movie):D

North Sea Regatta - 11 May 2010 - Vuurschepenrace on Vimeo

North Sea Race 2011 was heavy test - Delta Lloyd North Sea Regatta
 
#1,126 · (Edited)
modern technical under the waterline count ? If so the HOEK boats should be included I would think or at least some of them,maybe.
..
Maybe??? you are mad? of course Hoek designed boats have a place on this thread:D . By the way welcome and thanks for posting those nice pictures of Braveheart.

I believe that way back on this thread there were posted some Hoek designed boats. Some confusion here regarding the boats that are of interest for this thread. This thread is about interesting sailboats and an interesting sailboat is not necessarily only a modern looking one. Traditional boats, Classics, modern classics have a place here and in what regards modern classics it is difficult to find someone better than Andre Hoek. I find many of his designs absolutely beautiful and I am glad that there are some billionaires with the good taste of preferring something like that instead of one of those monstrous motorboats. At least they use their money to create beauty, beauty that we all can enjoy.

He has created also some modern good looking yachts like this one:



Has some fabulous boats derived from traditional boats, pilot boats in particular:









And many beautiful classical boats, some of them with very modern under-body and deep ballasted bulbed keels:

http://www.hoekdesign.com/images/news/skylge-nomination-BI-07.pdf





























Hoek Design

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,130 · (Edited)
G1000, this is the fastest cruising boat I know of:

YouTube - ‪Lalou Roucayrol sur le Multi 50 2ème de La Route du Rhum 16/11/2010‬‏

Hey Nemier, pay attention:D

Yes that is a race trimaran (second on the last Route du Rhum) but Lalou, the skipper had decided to make a small series of cruising boats with the same molds. He says:

After sailing for twenty years on racing Multihull, sometimes with a relative comfort but with great sailing performance I have notice that the pleasure of that performance was sometimes spoiled by the stress of sailing to the limit these capricious and nervous boats and during my lonely nights at the ruder I started to think about a different vision of multihull sailing. A vision that included the pleasure of sailing with friends and sharing with them the pleasures of fast sailing, without stress in a seaworthy, fast, comfortable and simple boat.

My choice was quickly focused on a Trimaran because of its versatility in all winds, its better behavior in rough weather and its superior performance / security compared with a cruising catamaran".


Lalou-Multi 50 : une série de trimarans tirant la quintessence de l'expérience de la course océanique et la mettant à la portée d'amateurs éclairés.

The French are exited about it:D .

Kind of a Pogo, but instead of a Class40 with a cruising interior, a 50class race trimaran with a cruising interior and that means way faster, I mean, not faster than a Class 40, but as faster or faster than an Open 60:D

YouTube - ‪Depuis les bateaux Route du Rhum 11.11.2010‬‏





Lalou-Multi 50 : une série de trimarans tirant la quintessence de l'expérience de la course océanique et la mettant à la portée d'amateurs éclairés.

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,139 ·
G1000, this is the fastest cruising boat I know of:
YouTube - ‪Lalou Roucayrol sur le Multi 50 2ème de La Route du Rhum 16/11/2010‬‏

Hey Nemier, pay attention:D

Yes that is a race trimaran (second on the last Route du Rhum) but Lalou, the skipper had decided to make a small series of cruising boats with the same molds.
Regards
Paulo
I'm always paying attention to anything you post Paulo!
Heck, I've even got the kids talking about you when we're all around the table at meal times! :laugher

I'm hanging around MH4U forum lately, trying to learn as much as I can over there. But regularly pop in over here to catch up!

My internet connection also not so good. I'm still offshore India right now, this was this morning's forecast:

MARINE FORECAST - BOMBAY HIGH NORTH
ISSUED 06:00 HRS SATURDAY 11 JUN 2011
Risk of showers/thundery showers giving temporarily strong gusts and rough seas. Heavy rain/showers at times. Strong gale to storm force winds with very high sea/swell.
WARNING :
Low pressure area over east-central Arabian sea is centered approximately at 19.3N, 070.4E and is likely to intensify. Pressure gradient is strong over your area. Strong gale to storm force winds will prevail over your location. Please see the Deep Low Pressure Warning forwarded separately.
SYNOPSIS :
0600 HRS SAT 11 JUN ~ 0600 HRS SUN 12 JUN
WIND : S-SW 42-52, increasing S-SW 48-58 later Saturday, decreasing S-SW 35-45 by Sunday
morning. Wind may gust over 45 in/vicinity of rain/showers
SEA/SWELL : 20-30, increasing 25-35 at times. Temporarily rough in/vicinity of rain/showers
VISIBILITY : 2-4, reducing further in rain/showers
WEATHER : Cloudy. Risk of rain/showers

Connection sh1tty and feeling sick..:(
 
#1,131 ·
Did a search and did'nt see the Ker 39 production cruiser racer mentioned Ker Associates Ltd
Ker Associates Ltd

Length overall, hull ........................... 11.85m
Beam moulded ................................. 3.52m
Draft ................................................ 2.55m
Displacement (IRC Empty Weight) ..... 5.95 tonnes
Price starts at 258000 Euro

Water transportation Boat Vehicle Sailing Sail


The Reichel/Pugh designed Mcr35 is another production boat that is at the top IMHO McConaghy Boats

LOA 10.88 M
Beam 3.70 M
Draft 2.50 M
Disp. 4,025 Kg
Prices start at 279000 USD

Water transportation Boat Vehicle Naval architecture Yacht


Room Property Interior design Luxury yacht Vehicle


Water transportation Boat Vehicle Yacht Naval architecture


Both boats have good ballast to weight ratio.
 
#1,132 · (Edited)
Did a search and did'nt see the Ker 39 production cruiser racer mentioned ...
You mean you don't find the mentioned Ker 46 and find the Ker 39 cruiser-racer;)?

You have not find the Ker 46 because it is a pure racer and made in very small numbers, not a production boat. That one (Tonerre...) was built in 2009 boat and is a very fast ocean racer:







The Tonerre was built by salthouse boat builders:

Salthouse Boatbuilders, New Zealand, building high performance race boats, cruising yachts and launches, commercial vessels, refit work and slip services

Thanks for posting about the ker 39 and the Mc35. They are very interesting boats and I will post more about them. They are on the limit of what we can call production boats. Both are expensive boats and cruiser racers with what looks like a nice interior.

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,135 · (Edited)
Yes, they tell everything except the weight and ballast. They give 98m2 of sail and that is not bad for a 41ft boat but the weight is very important as it is the sensations you got at the wheel.

Take a look at their last one, the 1060: the weight seemed fantastic and the boat should be a knock out. Well it sails very well but it seems that the sensations at the tiller are not that good and the performance seems not to be in accordance with the announced weight.

I think that RM has clearly understood that performances are very important for the ones that are interested in their boats. They have made recently for a Swedish client a 1350 performance: Carbon mast, increased sail area (112 to 125m2), premium sails. The boat can make 10.5K with 12k wind.



I think they are going to introduce a performance option in their line. They are working in a 1060 performance with more sail area, top cruising sails and a carbon rig (mono Keel and twin rudders). I think that this is going in the direction at least some of their clients want, the problem is what would be the cost? Can they make it affordable?

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,137 ·
Paulo,
Maybe the Swiss client does not care ? Great looking boat.

Top marks for the Hoek thread but if I had the dosh this is where I'd go ...







though I suspect I'm repeating myself .....
 
#1,138 · (Edited)
Hey Andrews,

Yes I love the Bestevaer but that particular boat is a no no. You should not make an aluminum boat with a traditional design and let it unpainted. That's a contradiction, a wrong play. That 45fter boat looks like a war machine, not a beautiful traditional boat:D

Look at the original design: The aluminum is painted



Some time ago you have posted a bigger one, a 54 if I am not wrong, painted and so much more beautiful:



Nothing wrong with the design of the 45, something wrong with the owner of that boat that probably have insisted in not having is boat paint. I know that not only aluminum boats don't need to be painted as they can have even some advantages in not being paint (unless the paint job is a very expensive and very good one) but one thing is functionality other are aesthetics and in what regards that, for letting it naked you have to have a modern functional design, not a classical design or a traditional one.

That plain view aluminum looks well on a Cigale or on a German 39 but not on a traditional boat like the Bestevaer. By the way do you know the German 39?

It is a great design, you know it is not easy to make a 45ft deck saloon look good, but a 39? that's another story and the German 39 is not only a great boat, fast and seaworthy, but it also looks right, with an integrated space for the tender and again, that's amazing on a 39ft boat. It is designed by a great South African Architect, Berckemeyer. Take a look at his designs, you are going to be surprised:

Berckemeyer Yacht Design

Regarding the German 39, that is made in Germany in a small scale production facility, the boat only weights 7.5T, has 2X900L of water ballast, 2.4T of ballast on a bulbed lifting keel. That bulb when in sailing position is really down at 2.5m contributing (with the water ballasts) to a huge initial stability and providing a good AVS and a good reserve stability. When looking for a place to anchor the boat has only 1.1m draft (keel up) and that permits it to get really close to land and permits to get a better shelter.



German Yachtbau

The German 39 has 97,5m2 of sail and that with a displacement of 7.5T makes it a fast boat and a very fast one with lots of wind. That huge stability permits it to maintain all its sail up when others have already reefed.



Take a look at the polar speed:

http://www.german-yachtbau.de/files/german39c/Polardiagramm/VPP_Polardiagramm_GE39.pdf

This is an easy 8/9K boat that with over 20K will go easily on two figure numbers. It was the kind of stern (with two rudders) that will provide a safe and easy downwind ride, even with lot's of wind.





























Andrew, this is one of my favorite, it has the right size the flexibility of an acrobat and I would probably have one if I could. The boat is not even expensive considering the Aluminum, the type of keel, the rig, the water ballasts and the good quality interior, but all that quality stuff is expensive, so it is clearly out of my budget....but what a boat;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,141 · (Edited)
To the attention of new members viewing this thread:

To avoid repetitions of posts about the same boat I have on the first page of this thread a list with the boats posted. That do not mean that you should not post about a boat that has been posted, you may add more information and that is always interesting, just that you should take into consideration what already has been posted, to avoid repetitions.

It is a fact that the search engine does not work properly on this thread and that's a shame. I have tried to maintain updated the list of boats posted but it is not easy, it's boring and takes a lot of time. The list was updated today till page 80.

I have created a new category for Traditional and Classic boats. This is the list:

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out).

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

(actualized till PG100)

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,142 · (Edited)
Well, I am going to post about an unusual boat a boat that I like. Not very rational but who says that sailing is very rational? That's a poet's boat, the kind of boat I would like to own when I get old:D . No, it is not particularly slow and I bet that it is even faster close to the wind, but its design it is not the best way to get space and performance from a sailboat at an affordable price...and of course I have doubts if you can raise a ballasted 1T keel pulling from the mast. Can the mast take it? Can the winches take it? Maybe I am wrong and in that case the boat is even more interesting:D

That's a Classic looking boat and I would say a radical: LOA 12m, Beam 3.16, Weight 4000kg, draft 3m, ballast 1000kg. The keel can be lifted and the boat has then 0.65m draft.

Take a look:





















I know, some of you are going to say that this is a crazy boat, that it will not sail properly, but you are wrong. This is a boat with a very appropriated name, "L'enfant perdu" and it is designed by Patrick Balta, a French Architect that has also designed a big sister, "L'etoile de l'horizon" (15m) and this one has raced the route du rhum (famous transat) and several other transats.

Some pictures of the big sister:





This baby can make more than 11k close to the wind and 15K at 90º of the wind. Who says that classical looking yachts has to be slow:D

If you don't believe it take a look at these movies...fast I am telling you:)

YouTube - ‪route du rhum 1‬‏

YouTube - ‪Etoile Horizon‬‏
 
#1,144 · (Edited)
A very special RM 1350 (almost no interior and water ballasts) has got good results on the first leg of the Azab race (England-Açores and back, solo or duo). The boat finished second overall.



Yes, not bad, the race was dominated by the fight between the first Class 40 and the RM 1350. In the end the RM was beaten by some hours but has beaten another class 40 and a fast J133. Only the first Class40 and the RM were solo sailed. The other Class 40 and the J 133 were duo sailed.

I am very curious to see the performance of the new RM 1350 performance:)

On the smaller boats a J105 won closely followed by an Elan 380.

AZAB 2011 - 10th Azores and Back Yacht Race
 
#1,146 ·
Probably the mast can take it but I doubt the winches can. That sailboat has a 48.2m2 main, the sail is bigger than the one I used on my 36ft but not that much. On my boat I had some hard work to pull the 75kg of my soon to the top of the mast. I don't think I could pull 200kg up ans certainly not 1000kg. we are talking about 13 times more than 75kg! To make things even worse there will be a lot more friction that the one that is experienced when we pull someone up.

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,147 · (Edited)
I might have had J-class boats on my mind when I wrote that. :D

There's hoist room for a 2:1 purchase directly above, and another 2:1 on the downhaul. No, it won't be easy. Maybe with a 3-speed winch and a lot of grinding?

(Edit: Well, wait a minute... Could probably do it all directly above. Not enough room to cascade on the downhaul. Just need lots of rope.)
 
#1,148 · (Edited)
New boat, another one from Denmark a small country with many boat builders and has usual from there, a beautiful boat, the Olsen 37.

Olsen is an old boat builder that is marketing for the first time? a small production boat. It is a week-end boat with main focus in sail pleasure and beauty.

Regarding beauty the boat is a looker. They tried to keep the profile has low as it was possible to the point of having this: " To allow headroom below coach roof in harbour, the coach roof can be lifted approx. 20 cm electrically by pushing a bottom".:D :D

The boat is made to be easily sailed solo:

"The deep cockpit is equipped with a steering wheel from where all halyards and sheets can be managed. To ensure optimal steering position cockpit seats are made in such a way, that you can decide in which position to steer the boat. They can be positioned for or aft depending on the position of the helmsman. They can also be stoved away to give plenty of space in standing position. The low coach roof makes it possible to have a brilliant view over the boat while sailing."

And you can have a SUN BED in the cockpit:D :
"The 2 m long cockpit lockers can be folded towards centerline to form a sun bed of 2 x 1,6 m".

Now with all those "gadgets" we would tend to think that sailing is not the main purpose, but we would be wrong. The boat is all built in epoxy using infusion, is light (4950kg) has a big ballast (2000kg) on a bulb, and therefore it will have a lot of sail power (B/D 40%) and a narrow beam (3,20m) will contribute to make it a very fast boat with a very well made and good quality interior.









About the interior, it is an open one that gives a big sensation of space . They say about it:

Below deck we have made everything looking as bright and open as possible. The centre section of the coach roof is made out of smoked acrylic, and 3 elements can be open to ensure ventilation and emergency exit. The interior is made out of white pigmented oak, Corean™, frozen acrylic, white sprayed panels and light teak floor thought as a contrast to the dark blue cushions.

The interior plan is more or less traditional, but elements are different. The top part of the toilet/bathroom is made out of frozen acrylic, which allows diffuse light penetration, but enough cover to obtain privacy.






The boat has plenty of zenithal light but I confess that the lack of view to the scenery would be a very strong negative point to me even in an such a nice boat.

Take a look at the movies, yes it is a fast boat:) :

YouTube - ‪Minbaad.dk tester Olsen370‬‏

YouTube - ‪Minbaad.dk tester Olsen370‬‏
 
#1,149 ·
About the interior, it is an open one that gives the sensation of space that is increased by the absence of mast or any link.
...
Take a look at the movies, yes it is a fast boat:) :
What an incredibly clean job of hiding the lines. It looks fantastic. And fast! The stern wave is a good 1/4 boat length behind in some of those shots.

I'm curious about your comment about the "absence of mast" in the interior. There's definitely a compression post, or even keel-stepped mast, in the interview video. I don't speak Danish, but the gist seemed to come across well in the images.

The raise-able roof does seem a bit gimmicky. Having spent time in the "pilot house" of a Lagoon 420 dockominium, I would trade some of the windage for some side lights. And I guess the sun-bed option conflicts with installing a traveler on the cockpit floor. Still, I like what they're showing.
 
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