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01-24-2012 10:49 AM
svjobeth
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Originally Posted by zz4gta View Post
I'm glad you realize that the old stuff was too big. This creates a lot of friction, and adds weight and expense where you don't need it. This is my #1 complaint with most boat owers. The lines barely fit the sheaves when new, and now that they're old and fuzzy, they drag through the sheave box, clutches, and blocks.

Lines have come a long way, and we should take advantage of it.
Oh yes, we were very much aware of the oversize issue. We weren't sailing offshore or long distances, and more or less fell into the 'we'll get to it next haulout' trap. Of course, it never got done until something bigger, the near failure of the traveler, forced the issue.

We're definitely dropping the line sizes and considering all of the choices for material, performance, etc with the replacements.
01-23-2012 10:33 PM
zz4gta I'm glad you realize that the old stuff was too big. This creates a lot of friction, and adds weight and expense where you don't need it. This is my #1 complaint with most boat owers. The lines barely fit the sheaves when new, and now that they're old and fuzzy, they drag through the sheave box, clutches, and blocks.

Lines have come a long way, and we should take advantage of it.
01-23-2012 06:11 PM
svjobeth
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Originally Posted by zz4gta View Post
What type of sailing do you do? Is weight a concern? Do you sail with gloves? I'm assuming dacron sails?

Traveler:
Salsa line. It's what I have on my boat 5/16"-3/8"
Apex 5/16"
Buzz line 5/16

Mainsheet:
Apex - used to have it, was too fat for my blocks, just changed to MLX in 5/16", won't have a report until the spring.
Salsa line is also nice, but a little less grippy.

Main halyard: spend some money here.
All the top brands will cost some money, look into blended cores if you want to save some coin. It will be a trade off. If you use VPC or MLX for a halyard, they will stretch more than Warpspeed, Endurabraid, V100, etc. But will be better than Polyester double braid. Please do not use Sta-set or Sta-Set X here.

Topping lift:
This is where you use the cheap stuff. Whatever you got that isn't too big will work. 1/4" if it needs to be adjusted, or smaller if it's just a 'strop'/penant.

Reefing lines:
Chafe resistance and low stretch are priorities above all else. Polyester works, but not real well (stretchy). To keep it simple go with a double braid and look into a Dyneema core, if you can't swing the cost, VPC or MLX.

I've used all those lines except V100 I think, so ask away if you have questions.
Thanks for the info. Since we're moving ahead with other projects (plumbing, mechanical/electrical, etc.) over the next couple of months, we've put the traveler install and running rigging replacement on that infamous back burner. We'll be ready to tackle it come springtime, but at the moment we've not made decisions on the replacement line type as of yet. Most of what we had was Sta-Set, and too oversized.

To answer your other questions; we rarely sail with gloves, and we only race on other people's boats. We're strictly cruisers and for the next couple of years, our cruising will be limited to coastal passages and inshore, meaning bay, sound and river sailing.
01-23-2012 01:50 PM
zz4gta
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Originally Posted by svjobeth View Post
At the same time, we're also planning to change out the associated running rigging, including the mainsheet blocks and of course, the traveler control line and the mainsheet itself. Our main halyard, topping lift, and reefing lines and sheaves are to be replaced as well.
What type of sailing do you do? Is weight a concern? Do you sail with gloves? I'm assuming dacron sails?

Traveler:
Salsa line. It's what I have on my boat 5/16"-3/8"
Apex 5/16"
Buzz line 5/16

Mainsheet:
Apex - used to have it, was too fat for my blocks, just changed to MLX in 5/16", won't have a report until the spring.
Salsa line is also nice, but a little less grippy.

Main halyard: spend some money here.
All the top brands will cost some money, look into blended cores if you want to save some coin. It will be a trade off. If you use VPC or MLX for a halyard, they will stretch more than Warpspeed, Endurabraid, V100, etc. But will be better than Polyester double braid. Please do not use Sta-set or Sta-Set X here.

Topping lift:
This is where you use the cheap stuff. Whatever you got that isn't too big will work. 1/4" if it needs to be adjusted, or smaller if it's just a 'strop'/penant.

Reefing lines:
Chafe resistance and low stretch are priorities above all else. Polyester works, but not real well (stretchy). To keep it simple go with a double braid and look into a Dyneema core, if you can't swing the cost, VPC or MLX.

I've used all those lines except V100 I think, so ask away if you have questions.
01-23-2012 08:38 AM
svjobeth We picked up the new traveler components this weekend...and what a thing of beauty it is. I almost want to put it in a glass case on a pedestal with a rent-a-cop to guard it 24/7, and not fit it to the boat. Almost.

The Garhauer gear looks and feels really beefy, substantial, and well put together. Nice and hefty. And the price couldn't be better. A new traveler assembly, all new blocks for the mainsheet system, new bails, and two proper snatch-blocks have us in for less than $2k.

Since we've decided to proceed with other projects ahead of the traveler to get the boat live-aboard ready, we'll be doing a dry fit test in the next few weeks. I'll post accordingly.
01-17-2012 04:16 PM
svjobeth Our blog is (finally!) updated with the last portion of our traveler removal. The new traveler is here, and now that Lisa and I are recovered from the holidays, this and other projects will continue.

Adventures of the Sailing Yacht Jo Beth: A Traveler's Tale, Part II
11-26-2011 09:21 AM
svjobeth The blog is finally updated - part I of 'A Traveler's Tale' is posted. Part II, which deals specifically with the traveler removal, will be posted next weekend. The link is in my signature, below.

I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving!
11-22-2011 11:43 AM
svjobeth Dianne & Chuck -

There's a lot wrong with our running backs, aside from age, that needs to be taken care of. We're seriously considering going the Spectra route, though not necessarily for the reasons you mentioned. Shortening the wire does make sense.

Thanks -
11-21-2011 05:34 PM
niftynickers
Traveler replacement

We also had the zipper problem on NiftyNickers and also have a headliner rrplcmnt in the future.In regards to the running backstays, this past May I needed the services of a riggers help with a headstay problem and while at the boat he did a rigging inspection and made suggestions for safer offshore sailing.This rigger is the same that does the pre- race inspection for the boats in the Carribean 1500 in Hampton,Va.These guys are very knowledgeable and experienced with off-shore boats.One of the items that they pointed out was the running backstays.They suggested that the wire portion with the shackles should be about 6' shorter and that the lower 6' should be Spectra or some one of the aramid lines.The Spectra is stronger than the wire and in the event that the lazy side is not attached to the deck fitting is less lethal should it come loose and start swinging around.I have experienced that shackle flailing around accidently and its not fun trying to get it under control.
Just something for you to think about while doing the backstays.

Good luck and Happy Holidays,
Dianne and Chuck Burke S/V NiftyNickers C37 #139
11-20-2011 12:10 PM
svjobeth
Update:

Sorry to not have posted something a little more current on this project. Life and the necessity of earning a living (by which we are able to support our habit!) always finds a way to interfere.

The old, tired, and dangerously worn traveler is off and disassembled. Measurements have been taken and the new components ordered. We're also replacing all of the mainsheet blocks, the mainsheet, our main halyard and masthead sheave, our reefing lines and sheaves, and installing proper lazyjacks.

The traveler un-install basically went off without a hitch. A few of the bolts required some coaxing with PB Blaster, and an impact driver had to be used on two of the bolts securing the traveler track to the curved bridge piece. The only real casualty was the short panel zipper in the galley overhead liner. It was badly corroded and after days of gentle nudging and bathing in vinegar and Blaster, it simply crumbled. We cut the zipper tape in order to get access to the traveler bolts. A new headliner has been a planned future project; now, a bit nearer-future. In the interim, we'll just suture the panel back together when the new traveler installation is done.

For a variety of reasons, we're confined to mostly coastal and bay/sound sailing for the foreseeable future. We've decided to remove the inner forestay and sail Jo Beth as a sloop until we're sailing offshore on a more consistent basis. We dug out our old 120 genoa and it will be going to the sailmaker for an inspection and (hopefully) installation of a new sun cover. If the sail is too tired to justify the cost of a new sun cover, then we'll look at replacement with a used sail. The running backs need replacing anyway.

That's it in a nutshell. I'll do a blog entry this next week while we're at the in-laws for Thanksgiving.

I hope all of you have a happy and safe Thanksgiving holiday!
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