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|07-28-2012 02:18 AM
Re: Living Aboard Cheap- Dreamers read!
My path is a bit different I'd say.
though #1 from the alternatives available.
When I was a child I got interested in spirituality,
and through my teenage years I saught gnosis or enlightenment.
After seven years of studying, meditating, and balancing life at 19,
I became spiritually illuminated, reconnected with my soul memories.
Since then I've recalled many of my past-lives, many of which were tied to water and wind.
I realized that the advent of working for someone used to go by different names in the past,
slaves, servents, serfs, and nowadays are called "employees" fancy :-o.
Needless to say, I decided to retire at the ripe old age of 19 and 3/4's.
Matthew 7:7 kjv
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:"
Aye me hearties, the luckiest of bible verses. the root of the magi.
I asked, for a stable income, an residence, near hills, pond river
and life partner with much detail to her characteristics and mannerisms,
within a year or two, it was granted. Aye, much appreciation and love.
And no, obviously I didn't have to work for it lol,
simply listen to my spirit guide and act on what suggested.
I have a 0-debt policy, and always pay my bills on time,
with plenty of savings, cash silver, gold, gems.
Eat healthy, fresh produce and whole staples,
slowcooked in cast iron, for extra longevity,
have a fast every other day or so.
Me partner, she even better than I expected, her father has a boat, and pirate paraphenlia.
In me past lives among others was a viking, varangian rus, dutch merchant pirate, english pirate.
Now with socialist "government handouts", and regulations, piracy is a frivolous livelihood.
However living on a boat has become quite accessible to ordinary people.
In the few hundred years I was away from the human species,
much has changed, in terms of sailplan, boat design, and communication.
so have been taking it slow, incrementally learning more.
Last year got my white sail III a dinghy certification,
and built a concrete dinghy prototype,
this spring built a barrel catamaran prototype,
in a week am going for keelboat basic cruising certification,
following a week afterward getting VHF radio certified.
Plan for next year is to join sailing club with co-op option,
and get experience crewing and skippering keelboat yachts.
In 2014 shall get a good hard dinghy sailboat, probably Walker Bay 10.
And 2015-2016 get ourselves a full keelboat, and start living on it.
Plan is to go engineless, and have a nice wood rocket furnace,
so can make pottery and ash onboard while cooking food :-D.
In terms of income for when we go world cruising,
passive income streams are best as Rich people can tell you.
So maintaining a blog (pays for hosting), writing book,
making music, have a small live biological culture (ferments) business.
Walker Bay 10, as we have a young one planned soon,
homeschooling of course, and when they come of age,
can get their own boat(s) and family.
At some point we may have the apartment and the boat,
who knows, maybe even a prolonged period of time..
Since we have 4 pets, 2 rabbits and 2 cats,
though maybe can give some away,
to our intentional community friends.
If we do move onto a boat full time,
we could easily afford a fairly large one,
with lots of extra money for maintenance,
then again we could get some shore side property,
if we find we have a lot of excess money.
Hmmm ya, life at the poverty line,
is better than that of a king,
unlimited free time,
and you do what you want,
cause a pirate be free ;-).
Ya har meitiz?! magic, oh yea, sweet elixer of life.
PCP I like your avatar of the eye painted on the boat,
it used to be a common practice amongst animist pagans,
since we realized they were living beings just like any other.
Am planning on animating me boats also :-).
|07-27-2012 01:18 PM
Re: Living Aboard Cheap- Dreamers read!
Nothing profound for me to add. But that was quite a read.
Cheers to all.
|03-05-2012 10:46 PM
Re: Living Aboard Cheap- Dreamers read!
Wow deep water? should one set course? Have a plan, work your plan. If the wind is not going your way try to tack. Some will race some will go easy. Fair winds and storms such is life. At the end of journey you will know if you did did good. Attitude is your choice. One who lives can not lie to thy ownself. I find above definition of poverty pretty good. Some souls set a sea anchor for life in a storm. Will they need rescued? One or two black or white we wish life was that easy! We could all ride the wind. Life comes not only in shades of black and white its a rainbow of reds, yellow, blues and greens. algebra not just ones and twos. Peace be with you my brothers. Deam your dreams help others. Plan what you can.
|03-01-2012 10:40 AM
What got me was the slow steady growth of the "habit". 15 years into a career making 3-4x what I was when I started out but still locked into needing that weekly paycheck to pay for: more living space I wasn't using, the shiny new motorcycle I was making payments on and riding twice a month, payments on the new car, the 3 kayaks(why I needed 3 I don't remember, but I had 3), 60 inch TV, new PC every 2 years to play video games I got bored of after 2 hours, etc.
Originally Posted by ppiccolo1
I can't believe that I too, worked longer hours to drive a nicer car, to get back and forth to work.... I think I've found a happy medium. To me, the most important step, was DEBT-FREE.
After living aboard a year and a half I got debt free last week. The next few months have me still in a "buy toy mode", but it's gear for the boat itself which I consider more of an investment.
I've definitely found that happy medium.
|03-01-2012 12:03 AM
Amazing , you are able to survive without a new car every 3 years and Armani shirts.? I can't believe that I too, worked longer hours to drive a nicer car, to get back and forth to work.... I think I've found a happy medium. To me, the most important step, was DEBT-FREE.
|02-29-2012 08:31 PM
Living aboard has let me semi retire in my mid 20's, working a month a year on average since then. Depressing? No way! I couldn't imagine having to sell so much of my life as "Consumerism" (Squanderism) requires.In the mornings , I turn on the traffic report, to hear how those "lucky" folks are doing, to pay for the Porsche they bought to "Impress" us with, cut a fart in their honour, then go back to sleep for as long as I please.
They work an entire year to spend a couple of weeks doing what I do year round. Living that way? Now that I would find depressing!
|02-29-2012 02:16 PM
funny thing revisiting this post. that was two years ago. today I am back in a camper, making money, and starting my sailing lessons in florida. my goal is to someday liveaboard a boat. I guess this time I'm a number 1, I have to admit it makes the experience much more enjoyable.
Originally Posted by avenger79
hey bljones. great post. good to know others have known the "fortunes" that I have known as well. mine didn't involve a boat at the time but a camper. everything else was the same.
funny now days i have new cars, a house, toys, a boat etc and yet I still find myself longing for the days when a meal was questionable and the work was hard but honest if it came along. a man came to me once and asked if I REALLY wanted a job. I said yes, and so began my comeback thanks to a foreman on a pipeline. he wasn't kidding when he said you better want to work but I can't say I didn't enjoy it.
I'm glad to have regained financial stability but I sure wish I could keep the "no worries" attitude with it.
|12-12-2011 05:25 AM
wow, well said. So eloquently put!
Originally Posted by chirosailor
I have chased the American Dream for the past 17 years. Finally I felt I had arrived. Big house,beach house,Range Rover,Harley's,Mercedes, etc.Then a $7000 experiment in the form of a Watkins 27 and a visit with Mary (a liveaboard at our marina)changed my insanity. I realized that I was out of breath. Sure I had a stuffstyle but no lifestyle. A consuming fire was lit and I stopped running. That was two years ago. Now I am dwindling away stuff,dettached from material possessions,selling homes,and living aboard part-time at the moment. I have never felt more free! Living aboard is setting yourself free from what everyone else thinks what success looks like. People are broke on all levels and what looks like a fortune most likely is bondage.
|12-05-2011 08:21 AM
I too spent some time in the Navy, 10 years right out of high school. I got to visit every continent except Europe, got to see how other people live, realized that even my meager military pay was a fortune to what some people have. The Navy also got me hooked on seeing what lay over the horizon and definitely gave me that craving a previous poster mentioned for the sea. I would come home to Kentucky on shore leave and think how great "home" was.
Originally Posted by neverknow
this is the part that worries us the most. I remember when I was in the navy 30 yrs ago returning home after going half way around the world. Seeing home again (trees and even corn fields) was amazing.
It's my belief that if and when we decide to return home to Indiana we'll once again appreciate it. It's just living in the same place for 46yrs (except the 4 I was in the navy) we are ready to do something different.
Our hope is that some days will not be a dream come true. In fact we are counting on that otherwise we might not truly enjoy the good days.
As the years of my service passed I acquired more stuff. I got out of the Navy, married, and lived in southwest Virginia. Virginia because she didn't want to move anywhere else even though the wage scale was much lower there than other places. After 9 years and a divorce, I finally came "home" to Kentucky. Was it special? Was it the place I wanted to be? No.
I found that the same reasons I left in the first place are still here. The only difference is that now I'm older and much more aware of what actually makes me happy. I have a good income, lots of stuff, and a lot more debt, and not happy. If leaving Indiana for a period of time will renew your sense of love for the place, then by all means do it. For me, I've spent 7 years (16 counting my marriage) of putting my wants, needs, and dreams aside for the sake of relationships in a place that people tell me is my "home" but I'm not happy with, living a life that is acceptable to mainstream America. And it SUCKS! And it's all going to change! But that's MY situation, not yours.
A good friend of mine who is married with kids and happy to be here told me something that has stuck with me. "Everybody deserves to enjoy life even if that means following a path less travelled." Being a bit of a free spirit herself, she understands me. I've read many posts in this forum where people say the family thinks they're crazy for wanting to follow such a dream, friends think they're nuts, etc. Just remember that for the most part, these are the same people who told you as a child "you can do anything you want to do in life", "you can be anything you want to be", "nothing is impossible if you set your mind to it".
Personally and for what it's worth, I think second guessing yourself and wondering if it's the right choice is a result of a natural fear of the unknown. I'm willing to bet though that you also experience a thrill on occasion when you discuss your plans together! I know I do when I look at boats on Yachtworld think of my own plans! A little uncertainty is good though. It makes you think, makes you cautious, makes you plan. And it sounds like you have a good plan.
The thing I love about this forum is that it is full of people who have already went down the road we are just starting on. The best part is that they understand the feelings people like us are experiencing because they have been there and they are willing to tell newcomers what to expect. They freely share their experiences and try to warn those that follow of common mistakes and pitfalls. They may not always be tactful, concise, straight to the point, or even good spellers, but they have been a valued source of support, knowledge, and inspiration to a man who has only one friend who understands and supports his dream.
Good luck to you and don't let anybody talk you out of your course.
|12-04-2011 08:16 AM
Originally Posted by PCP
Sometimes I think about living permanently in a boat but that does not survive winter. I live in a place were the sea is rough and the waves are big. In any big storm, that happens regularly in the winter, when the trees of my small garden are being blown away from the ground and the seas are all white, I think to myself: My God, how terrible should be to be on a boat right now.
Of course, I admire the guys that live in a boat all year, not for need but because the like it, but that is just not for me, unless I had too.
I don't understand in what is related to this subject that talk of : "and yeah i do realize there are sme desperately poor people especially in other countries"
Originally Posted by sawingknots
i doubt theres many people who live on a boat in the u.s. because "they have to" same with homeless street people,it seems to me that if ones not contented with their particular lifestyle they will eventually find another.i also don't understand why someone who "lives" on a sailboat would be in a desperate hurry to get to a final destination,flying/driving would be faster and cheaper or hell just buy a oh oh power boat[go fast boat],and yeah i do realize there are sme desperately poor people especially in other countries
Or do you mean that in the US all have money to have and maintain a house and a boat? Even those 46 million (15% of all population) of Americans that are considered poor.
Because that's what I am talking about, you can only live in a boat in the nice season and get back to home and family in winter if you have enough money to maintain a house and a boat. If, like some year sell the house to buy a boat and to have money to travel, they cannot return to a home they don't have anymore in the winter, do they? and its about those I am talking about.
I do not mean that to sell the house and buy a boat is not the right decision if that's the only way to have a decent boat and that the trade off is not the right one, but I guess that in the winter when the conditions are really bad and you have to go out several times at night to see if everything is alright and to correct the lines, not to mention having to move the boat, the comfort of the old house will be missed, at least by some. Of course they can sell the boat and return to a house but then they cannot enjoy living in a boat when things are nice and rewording, do they?
About not understanding why someone like to cruise in a fast boat (even if again that has nothing to do with this thread) maybe you should go here and read the interview with Jimmy Cornell, considered as one of the first of the great long range cruisers (several circumnavigations) and one that successively has made a life out of cruising:
Interview du «pape» de la grande croisičre Jimmy Cornell : «En Papouasie, on s
Well, it is in French, I can translate the relevant parts regarding boats fit for long range bluewater cruising:
"I advocate for light cruising sailboats, but in the Anglo-Saxon countries, the idea is struggling to win! This is less true in France ..."
And regarding modern production cruising boats:
"Cruising sailboats are more comfortable and more spacious, but they are not really exciting and it is the fault of the cruising sailors who feel that going at 6 knots its all right ... The boats are often still too heavy in their displacement..The racing sailboats have evolved rapidly in recent years, as opposed to cruising yachts. The racing yacht design has not yet sent all its developments to the world of cruising yacht design. "
It seems like me talking, but it is not, it is a guy with 200000nm of experience in all the oceans of the planet, a guy that has owned, cruised and lived in different kind of boats, from motor sailor heavy type to heavy steel boats, to light boats.
I guess that you are among the ones he sees responsible for all of us not having faster and better cruising boats, the ones that " feel that going at 6 knots it's all right"
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