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11-09-2011 11:07 AM
blt2ski Minne,

In your case, a boat you own, trying to get it delivered for a reasonable fee, sailing might very well be the preferred way. BUT, if the OP's boat was launched from the Jeanneau factory in SC, a day late and dollar short lets add, motoring might be the only way to get it to FL for the show, since this was a show model!

If it were a day late, it is also possible some items were not taken care of by the yard that put it in, notes were lost as to what was or was not done, Assumed after the show someone would have time to fix some of the issues..... time was not given to them...

One can come up with multiple reasons both good and bad as to why the OP had issues. Same with the hours on the boat. Local Jeanneau dealer they own a yard 70 or so miles north of seattle, they launch, prep etc there, then literally motor the "stock" to sell boats to seattle. As they are paying the delivery crew by the hour, one gets a no wind day which is somewhat reasonably common here in puget sound, and the boat can literally go backwards due to tides. So motoring to deliver the boats is more the norm.

It would and will be interesting to see what the final verdict was. I doubt we will figure it out.

Marty
11-08-2011 03:11 PM
Minnewaska
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Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
With out looking back on pg 1, IIRC the OP's boat was put in the water in NCarolina, shown initially in Fl, so it had to get from NC to FL, probably ALL motored........
Maybe an interesting point for any that haven't paid to have their boat delivered. You might think that when delivering a sailboat, they would be inclined to sail. Nope. If the delivery crew can motor (ie enough access to fuel), they will. Maybe motor-sail at best. Unless, of course, you pay them by the day with no limit.

I've always paid a fixed delivery price for the number of days it should take, with a reduced rate add-on for any weather/mechanical downtime. Motor on and you pay for the fuel too.
11-08-2011 12:06 PM
blt2ski With out looking back on pg 1, IIRC the OP's boat was put in the water in NCarolina, shown initially in Fl, so it had to get from NC to FL, probably ALL motored. Not sure of the distance, but frankly, I would not be too surprised to see 20-40 hrs for that trip alone!

Hr/miles on a given rig at purchase can depend on a lot of things. Take a semi truck for example. Kenworth hauls them out of a plant near me with one tractor that has 2 to 3 other trucks front axels on the 5w heading off to where ever. Maybe Florida lets say. So a trip from Seattle to Fl is what 4000 miles....So the lead rig has 4000 miles when it get to FL, it has yet to see a mile use by the end user.

Also, Many BIGGER boats get sailed to the new owner(s) ALL around the world, or they take delivery where it was made, then have to sail them to home, which could be 10-15K mile away. Some of the "how many" hr/miles etc one has on a rig needs to be taken with some grain of salt, based on the item, how it will be used etc. Said semi I mentioned earlier, if used in a OTR situation, does 100-125K miles a year once put into service. Is getting it with 4000 miles much different than you driving off the lot with a car that has 40 with you driving all of 100K miles in its 10 yr lifetime? not really when you look at the % of 4K to 1million miles over 10 yrs. A motor in this boat should go 10K-20K hrs or more before needing a rebuild. Most of us do not keep our boats that long!

right or wrong, Another way to look at things!

Marty
11-07-2011 07:10 PM
Minnewaska Can't say I've heard of rolling back the hours meter, but suspect it wouldn't be too hard to just disconnect one and run unrecorded hours.

I have a neighbor that bought a brand new boat that was tied up in bankruptcy somehow. Dealer inventory or something like that. He got a great deal, but had to wait for the courts to clear the sale. Could be something like that, given the proximity to this recession. Of course, it wouldn't be the first boat to be purchased and never really used much.
11-07-2011 06:31 PM
sovereign Thanks for throwing in the perspective, Minnewaska.

I've just recently seen a pre-owned 2007 DS (don't recall the exact size) for sale with just 90 or so hours on the clock. It seemed odd when knowing that half of it could've been clocked even before the yacht saw its first owner.

On a general note (hope I am not getting too OT), is hour meter rollback as common an issue as with used cars? Should one treat the value with utmost suspicion unless backed by maint. invoices and a surveyor report?
11-07-2011 05:47 PM
Minnewaska sovereign, good point. The internet can be unreliable or sure. That's why I always suggest that we take everything we think we learn on forums as entertainment. If you think any of it is factual, just do homework on it first. Most does prove accurate, but don't play russian roulette.

That said, yachts are often transported over the ground with their keels removed and reinstalled and even a new yacht could appear in a boat show before its sold, thereby putting a few dozen hours on her to get there. The scenario is plausible, but we don't seem like we'll ever know if its true.
11-07-2011 05:31 PM
sovereign It's a pity the OP never reported back. But has anybody considered this whole case being a hoax (either to victimize a particular dealer or the brand)? Could somebody compare the 3 pics shown with how a brand new keel and hull of SO 42 should look like?

I am quite new to this subject, but is at all possible to have such a bad paint job on a brand new, just delivered yacht? Also, is it normal that new yachts are delivered with 60-odd engine hours like the OP also mentioned in the thread?

Cheers,
Jan
09-25-2011 09:20 PM
hellosailor Marty-
Obviously joking. After all, everyone knows that in Miami you dump 'em in the Glades, not in the bay. The watercops in Miami do not allow *anyone* to dump bodies in the bay.

:-)
09-25-2011 07:09 PM
blt2ski HS,
That is pretty funny. Altho hopefully not true.

This person put a post on the jeanneau owners forum.... IIRC a one post wonder!

But it would be nice to know what happened...

Marty
09-25-2011 11:36 AM
hellosailor Miami was traditionally an "open town", so it is arguably safe to assume that the dealer put out a contract on the buyer who was making so much trouble for them, and that Alex hasn't been back because he's been sleeping with the fishes.
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