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11-30-2011 02:39 PM
Sublime My greatest source of anxiety moving from dinghy to keelboats was docking and transitioning from being under power to being under sail.
Heeling will make you a little nervous. Not because you aren't used to it but because you aren't used to trusting the boat to stay upright on its own.
11-28-2011 08:33 PM
paintpollz been looking at a lot of c30s.

The popularity, features, and abundance of replacement parts makes it a very desirable boat for a newbie like me...
11-28-2011 07:11 PM
WDS123 Paint,

all good advice - my 2 cents: instead of focusing on length focus on displacement.

In my mind, differences in displacement is the critical factor when moving from a dinghy to a keelboat.
11-28-2011 12:23 PM
MarkSF
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Originally Posted by Bamazeb View Post
I grew up with an O'Day 22. Then got a Sunfish during college. Sailed it for 15 yrs. Got tired of getting wet. So now have A Mirage 24 and lovin' it!! Do you plan to do a lot of singlehanding? If so, better stick with a <25 footer. Also comimg into a mooring is easy. Idle up to point into your berth. Cut the engine. Grab the aft mooring line and hold it to reduce the momentum to a stop. Then Cleat it.
Why would you cut a perfectly working engine before the boat is tied to the dock? You might still need it....I've been known to stop early and then start heading out of the slip backwards... wind and tide can do that.

Just leave it in idle until the boat is fully tied up. They benefit from cooling down for a few minutes at idle anyway.
11-28-2011 09:19 AM
Ritchard
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Yeah, it's those 30 knot cross winds that make docking interesting.....
I'm lucky that our club is in a very protected harbour. I have yet to experience really strong winds when docking.
11-28-2011 08:44 AM
kwm
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Barring winds, nice and slow makes for much less hectic and embarrassing docking.
Yeah, it's those 30 knot cross winds that make docking interesting.....
11-26-2011 04:39 PM
paintpollz great. thanks again for all the info. I'm going with the "boat I want." Ill keep everyone posted. maybe I'll pull the trigger sooner if some harbormasters get back to me with some good news on moorings....

patscroe I appreciate the info on the motors, very good to hear.
11-23-2011 03:01 PM
Ritchard I'm with the buy the boat you want crowd. I had sailed only a couple of times in my life before this summer, and then only as sort of meat ballast, until I went out with a friend this spring. As soon as the sails went up and filled with breeze, I was hooked. Before I knew it I sailed every weekend of the summer, as well as crewing on Wednesday evening races. End of summer I bought a 32 ft cruiser. I learned to sail it (not that I am yet particularly proficient) by taking her out and sailing her, and by having experienced friends come along from time to time. Basic sailing seems to be to be pretty easy and commonsense. Mastering it I am sure will take many years.

One more thought, with respect to docking and/or mooring, it is AMAZING how much momentum a 12000 lb boat carries with it. I put my engine into neutral and begin to coast into my slip from a LONG way out. I now make a game out of how slow I can go and still have steerage. Barring winds, nice and slow makes for much less hectic and embarrassing docking.
11-23-2011 10:08 AM
nickmerc Single-handing a 30' is not a problem. I sail alone or with ineffective crew 90% of the time. I have left my dock under sail and returned under sail all solo. One tool that I find helpful is a tiller pilot/autohelm. I usually use it to hold a coarse so I can go forward and get a good look at sail trim (or relax dangling my feet off the bow) or while I reef the sails. I do not depend on it, but it sure makes life easier. I also installed lazy jacks to contain the main sail while dousing. These or any other system are invaluable since it keeps the main sail under control so you do not have to climb all over it while trying to do everything else.

To gain confidence have a friend sail with you as a backup. Just have them sit there while you do all the work and only use them if you get in a bind. I've sailed a 70' gaff rigged schooner with just me and the captain. A Catalina 30 is no sweat solo.
11-23-2011 08:03 AM
patrscoe Everyone gets into sailing a different way. Myself, I started as a kid on a sunfish and loved every minute of it. In fact, thinking of picking up a sunfish for my 8 yr son to beat around the small lake near our house.
Sunfish vs a 30' sailboat is different from all aspects except for one thing, sailing. It is still sailing and it will not take long to pick up on how the boat handles under power, sailing, how to trim and balance your main & jib, maintenance, etc... You seem to be a little concern with the inboard engine maintenance. If you buy a sailboat with good diesel which should last thousands of hours and sailboat with a good maintenance record, you should be fine. I still have the yard change the oil and do regular engine maintenance, while I concentrate on the rigging, electronics and hull maintenance.
If you are planning to single-handling and don't have a lot of experience on this type of sailboat, you will need to take all safety precautions, wear your lifejacket at all times, etc... Also you will need to set up your running rigging so that all major line controls go back to the cockpit.

Taking a few ASA courses on your new sailboat will really help get you started in the right direction and eliminate beginners mistakes. Seems that docking a larger sailboat is a beginners problem. Just practice, take her slow and importantly, know your boat and know how long it will take to stop under a certain speed. Read a few cruising guide books, Best of Sailtrim, etc...

And it is a great time to purchase a sailboat. Although the market is down, beware of unbelievable buys on a sailboat.

Good luck.
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