SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Gear & Maintenance > Anchor Wars - In Search of the Lost Truth.
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Anchor Wars - In Search of the Lost Truth. Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
03-28-2012 07:04 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Anchor alarm

Quote:
Originally Posted by hmurmur View Post
We are newbies to anchoring, tho we have been daysailing and overnighting (on moorings/docks) for several years.
My Chartplotter has an anchor alarm, but it drains the batteries quickly. does anyone have a suggestion for an inexpensive backup, like a handheld gps with anchor alarm?
Thoughts?
Inexpensive is relative. I use Anchor Watch ($2) on my IPad. It will email me when I'm ashore! Which I can get on a smart phone, with an alarm if the anchor drags. Run in the background and shut monitor off and the battery will last all day.
03-27-2012 02:32 PM
hmurmur
Anchor alarm

We are newbies to anchoring, tho we have been daysailing and overnighting (on moorings/docks) for several years.
My Chartplotter has an anchor alarm, but it drains the batteries quickly. does anyone have a suggestion for an inexpensive backup, like a handheld gps with anchor alarm?
Thoughts?
11-29-2011 02:15 PM
CapitainMike
Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Is this standard practice in the industry? In other words, do other manufacturers do the same for these tests?

As maine said above, it seems to me that the testing authority is the one that needs to insist on the terms. Otherwise, what's wrong with doing what you can to make sure the results are as good as they can be? If it's not against the rules, it's not against the rules.
This by manufacturers is a lie etc by omission.

On buying an anchor you cannot specify "Tuned" or "Un-tuned" Therefore I consider that all test carried out with a tuned I.E. above standard item to be an act of Duplicity. and appropriate legal action should be taken

Definition of DUPLICITY
1 : contradictory doubleness of thought, speech, or action; especially : the belying of one's true intentions by deceptive words or action

2 : the quality or state of being double or twofold

3 : the technically incorrect use of two or more distinct items (as claims, charges, or defenses) in a single legal action

Related to DUPLICITY formal : dishonest behavior that is meant to trick someone

Synonyms: artifice, cheating, cozenage, craft, craftiness, crookedness, crookery, cunning, cunningness, deceitfulness, deception, deceptiveness, dishonesty, dissembling, dissimulation, double-dealing, dupery, deceit, fakery, foxiness, fraud, guile, guilefulness, wiliness

The Jaguar cars models XK 120. 140. and 150. were powered by standard engines built with standard parts but the parts had been "tuned" to each other. Advertising informed of this and the opportunity to purchase a "better performance model" was offered to all.

To lie by omission is to remain silent and thereby withhold from someone else a vital piece (or pieces) of information. The silence is deceptive in that it gives a false impression to the person from whom the information was withheld. It subverts the truth; it is a way to manipulate someone into altering their behavior to suit the desire of the person who intentionally withheld the vital information; and, most importantly, it's a gross violation of another person's right of self-determination.

The Biggest Lie About Lies -- A Lie of Omission Is Not a Lie!
A lie of omission is the most insidious, most pervasive, and most common lie on the entire planet. Commonly, those who use this type of lie, have conned themselves into believing that to intentionally remain silent when ethical behavior calls for one to speak up is not a lie at all. In spite of overwhelming evidence that their silence deceives, misleads, and often causes untold grief and misery, they refuse to speak the truth.

The Inevitable Consequences: There is also the common misconception that intentional deception by silence has no consequences. Lies of commission (telling a lie) and lies of omission (withholding the truth) are both acts of intention deception. Both reap the same consequences.


intentional deception to obtain a pecuniary advantage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception_(criminal_law)
11-28-2011 05:08 PM
smackdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Gotcha. When you said "no one" was clean, it seemed to implicate CMP too. Based on what I read in your link, it wasn't full clear that RINA actually accepted a bribe either. I think we should be careful fanning flames. However, the Rocna/China problem is certainly on fire.
Here's the statement:

Quote:
He claimed in his evidence that this money was for me to make cash payments to Rina for expenses incurred in obtaining certification.

The facts , backed up by emails and other written informations, are that he instructed me to bribe certain officals at Rina and at another manufacturing facility with this cash amount in order to gain certification. Upon my return to NZ he praised me for a job well done and announced to the world that certification had been obtained.
Agreed that nothing is definitive - and it needs clarification (which I've asked Grant for). But if you take what he's written as it reads, along with the court finding, that $5K that was meant as bribe money for RINA officials and another manufacturing facility went somewhere - and that somewhere pleased his boss.

Hopefully Grant will clear this up.
11-28-2011 04:42 PM
Minnewaska
Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
It doesn't. But if Grant's comment about bribing RINA officials is accurate (e.g. - they accepted the money under the pretenses of providing certification), it certainly seems to implicate RINA.
Gotcha. When you said "no one" was clean, it seemed to implicate CMP too. Based on what I read in your link, it wasn't full clear that RINA actually accepted a bribe either. I think we should be careful fanning flames. However, the Rocna/China problem is certainly on fire.
11-28-2011 02:52 PM
smackdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
I can't follow how this implicates CMP.
It doesn't. But if Grant's comment about bribing RINA officials is accurate (e.g. - they accepted the money under the pretenses of providing certification), it certainly seems to implicate RINA.
11-28-2011 01:52 PM
Minnewaska I can't follow how this implicates CMP.
11-28-2011 12:00 PM
smackdaddy Holy crap! This whole Rocna thing just gets nastier and nastier. Now it looks like bribes were flying to try to get Rina certification:

Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific - Page 78 - Yachting and Boating World Forums

It seems there was no one clean in this whole debacle.
10-24-2011 09:31 AM
smackdaddy
Quote:
Originally Posted by marinextreme View Post
Ah...but a tuned one sings a far better song.
Is this standard practice in the industry? In other words, do other manufacturers do the same for these tests?

As maine said above, it seems to me that the testing authority is the one that needs to insist on the terms. Otherwise, what's wrong with doing what you can to make sure the results are as good as they can be? If it's not against the rules, it's not against the rules.
10-24-2011 01:38 AM
marinextreme
tuned

Quote:
Originally Posted by killarney_sailor View Post
A tuned anchor? WTF? A reliable test should start with a randomly chosen anchor from a regular chandelry.
Ah...but a tuned one sings a far better song.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:49 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.