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12-11-2011 10:59 PM
Yamsailor
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Originally Posted by Capt Len View Post
It's supposed to be funny. I've been sailing with passengers for 30 years or so and I might sound a bit jaded. Between spring and fall cruises and 3 months at the Thai beach hut it leaves me the summer months to make the donuts.See my page for a three hour sail. Most tourists have no idea what it's about but want a dream or nice picnic at sea, or.. I offer a sail for up to 18 (not a booze cruise) In spite of comments made here by Captain Ron fans , many guests say it was the highlight of their holiday. So say Fromers and Edmonton Sun.and I'm proud of that. Fixed costs like moorage, insurance, licenses,maintenance ,advertizing ,etc go on while sitting at the dock not making the $1000 because it's cloudy can be annoying. And what's your time worth?If on a good day you make 300 or so and two days with two guests and two days scratched ,Hope the week end is better, because you have been on call all week. It is like fishing, or strolling a street corner . Personally I wouldn't take a paycheck job to replace my life style again and Ive had some pretty decent positions.(In my book) You should remember that I built my boat and this is who I am. It's not for everyone, for sure. Run the numbers, have a business plan,don't sell the farm yet as you make a decision. Or do like I do when faced with a BIG choice, Flip a coin.
Cool. Well I was never planning on making it my source of income. IT is more of a side-business during the warmer months.
12-10-2011 02:24 PM
SloopJonB
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It's supposed to be funny. I've been sailing with passengers for 30 years or so and I might sound a bit jaded. Between spring and fall cruises and 3 months at the Thai beach hut it leaves me the summer months to make the donuts.See my page for a three hour sail. Most tourists have no idea what it's about but want a dream or nice picnic at sea, or.. I offer a sail for up to 18 (not a booze cruise) In spite of comments made here by Captain Ron fans , many guests say it was the highlight of their holiday. So say Fromers and Edmonton Sun.and I'm proud of that. Fixed costs like moorage, insurance, licenses,maintenance ,advertizing ,etc go on while sitting at the dock not making the $1000 because it's cloudy can be annoying. And what's your time worth?If on a good day you make 300 or so and two days with two guests and two days scratched ,Hope the week end is better, because you have been on call all week. It is like fishing, or strolling a street corner . Personally I wouldn't take a paycheck job to replace my life style again and Ive had some pretty decent positions.(In my book) You should remember that I built my boat and this is who I am. It's not for everyone, for sure. Run the numbers, have a business plan,don't sell the farm yet as you make a decision. Or do like I do when faced with a BIG choice, Flip a coin.
Len the thing that stood out for me most of all in your post was that there was not a single mention of the word WORK.

Good on ye'.
12-10-2011 10:01 AM
PCP The Affordable Perfect large Day Sailor..... you can not find it because there is not any significant market for it. If it is a day sailor it will be a coastal boat so it does not need to be big since a 22/24ft boat can already sail with 4 and a 30ft with 6, so why bigger? Only sail schools will be interested in more places but they use open boats for day sailing and that increases the number the places on the boat.

The market that you are pointing (charter day sailing) is dominated by day sailing catamarans that can offer a lot more places for the length and provide sailing without heeling. Most of those boats are specifically built and they can be quite big. They are not expensive neither luxurious.

The other market for day sailing regarding over 30ft monohulls is a luxury market that has to do with possessing a top sailing and beutifull boat just to sail around. Something to be proud of and to cherish. If we were talking about motorcycles we would be talking about café racers : You don' need one to go to the café, but certainly you will go with style in one

Style doesn't come cheap neither really beautiful things

Regards

Paulo
12-10-2011 12:13 AM
Capt Len It's supposed to be funny. I've been sailing with passengers for 30 years or so and I might sound a bit jaded. Between spring and fall cruises and 3 months at the Thai beach hut it leaves me the summer months to make the donuts.See my page for a three hour sail. Most tourists have no idea what it's about but want a dream or nice picnic at sea, or.. I offer a sail for up to 18 (not a booze cruise) In spite of comments made here by Captain Ron fans , many guests say it was the highlight of their holiday. So say Fromers and Edmonton Sun.and I'm proud of that. Fixed costs like moorage, insurance, licenses,maintenance ,advertizing ,etc go on while sitting at the dock not making the $1000 because it's cloudy can be annoying. And what's your time worth?If on a good day you make 300 or so and two days with two guests and two days scratched ,Hope the week end is better, because you have been on call all week. It is like fishing, or strolling a street corner . Personally I wouldn't take a paycheck job to replace my life style again and Ive had some pretty decent positions.(In my book) You should remember that I built my boat and this is who I am. It's not for everyone, for sure. Run the numbers, have a business plan,don't sell the farm yet as you make a decision. Or do like I do when faced with a BIG choice, Flip a coin.
12-09-2011 11:24 PM
Yamsailor
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Did you hear about the charter boat skipper who won the big lottery? When ask what he was going to do with all that money, he replied "well, I'll just keep chartering 'till it"s all gone!
LOL--so you are saying "Don't do it?"
12-09-2011 01:04 PM
Capt Len Did you hear about the charter boat skipper who won the big lottery? When ask what he was going to do with all that money, he replied "well, I'll just keep chartering 'till it"s all gone!
12-09-2011 12:33 AM
aeventyr60 3 hour booze cruise with captain Ron and a busty hostess or two. Now that sounds like what most lubbers are really looking. Hey, where's that cheap Formosa?
12-08-2011 11:47 PM
bljones Go with the Mainecat. No heeling, no squealing, lots of room for lounging.
Or save 100K and just buy an old Formosa, an eyepatch and some cheesy shirts and offer a 3 hour Capt Ron experience.
12-08-2011 11:04 PM
Capt Len Well I'm a tad biased when it comes to good looking boats.If you travel to away places you usually find a Spray operating as commercial sailing adventure by a couple. 36 to 44ft. Smaller, you can't bring in enough revenue .bigger .you have to and crew too.In Canada ,CSI is restrictive, anally so .Stateside much less so. Here ,watertight bulkheads and doors,Covered life raft,Fire and flood equipment up the ying yang,captain and crew cert,annual inspections and every 4 yrs all your intimate bits on the bench for a good look
12-08-2011 10:26 PM
Yamsailor
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Originally Posted by Capt Len View Post
So you are about to embark on an adventure of sailing and having others pay you for it. First thought is how to get the guests on board. Are they adventurous sailors? Is your boat appealing to them? Never sailed before?? Will it tip? Where do we sit? What number of passengers is your break even? Even after all this, the hardest part is the advertizing brochures, commissions,web page,on and on. It's great fun if you like to sail sort of like you liked sex so you changed occupations I've done it for a long while now (18 passengers) and cannot imagine working for a paycheck.But I often wonder what these jerks are doing in my home. Fortunately my partner is a people person so I can be the gruff captain. If you look around the net you will find the most popular timing is a threehoursail. If you consider looking for a turnkey opp, find me looking for new horizons.
Hi Len,

You make some very good points. Fortunately I am working with someone who owned his own media/advertising/marketing firm. He will be taking care of most of that for me. Three hour sails are the way I want to go for now. Do you have any recommendations for a good 36 foot boat to use?
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