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09-14-2012 05:46 PM
WanderingStar
Re: Venezuelan Navy intervention with US Sailboat provokes the loss of our vessel

Thank you.
09-10-2012 05:28 AM
herbertfernandez
Re: Venezuelan Navy intervention with US Sailboat provokes the loss of our vessel

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Originally Posted by Yorksailor View Post
This adds to the recent reports on the VHF in Bonaire of Venezuelan CG interference in the Aves.

A friend had to pay a $400 bribe on a Brit boat in Los Roches 3 months ago.

Phil
I am venezuelan and it makes me sad to post this, ive been living in Margarita island for 6 years now, because living in caracas became too dangerous, I am a lawyer, I am 35 years old, and sailboat owner too, and i have to post this because im sick and tired of seeing tourist from all over the word being mugged and kidnapped at gunpoint, and bribed by the coast guards as well as by the police, and national guards, ive seen many ships wrecked, seized, vandalized and in the best of cases very deteriorated by coast guards and police intervention, I love my country but I hate to say if its not safe for venezuelans It certainly cannot be safe for tourist so if you should really have to come take all the precautions you can and i mean all, because sometimes the same pirates are coast guards and police, again im sorry to post this but if i dont id feel guilty if i ever get to read or see something like what started all the postings
12-12-2011 07:30 PM
hellosailor It might be interesting to know what flag Apuej BIEN sails under. The US Vessel Documentation Center has no record of it, so apparently this incident concerns a vesselflying an unknown flag, while in Venezualan waters, although the blog seems to indicate the owners are resident in Floirda? Is the vessel simply state registered in Florida? Or flagged in Venezuala? Or...?

I don't recognize "Apuej" in my limited language sets, how about a hint here?
12-12-2011 06:49 PM
ftldiver
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Originally Posted by apueJbien View Post
I believe for the sake of this discussion a copy of the the official reports as prepared by myself and the Venezuelan Armada would be a good starting point. Again, I'm working with my insurance company, and promise to provide both reports when this matter is settled. As Captain of Apuej BienI take full responsibility for the grounding, however I was not allowed to proceed on a course of my choosing which ultimately impacted the outcome. Hindsight is 20/20.
Once you settle with the insurance I'd like to see the report!

and more importantly, what, if any other options you legally had.

you were in their territorial waters when stopped, correct? (even though you cleared out)
12-11-2011 07:47 PM
my900ss I myself am having trouble understanding how the OP got onto the rocks? Short of the Navy forcing them into the rocks as the skipper of the boat are you not responsible for your boat above all others?

Its not clear to me what the OP was doing, nor what the Navy was requesting that he/she do thus I cannot understand how the boat was grounded. I can understand the OP's anguish at loosing his/her boat.
12-11-2011 06:51 PM
BentSailor Look, steel, I agree with you and I like having a good political stoush (I really do). But let's please keep this marginally sailing related. At the very least, until a copy of the reports are out and we can look them over.
12-11-2011 02:20 PM
steel And for the local elections, where only 8% vote? And that had a President who lost two elections?

I can't resist!
12-06-2011 11:39 PM
WanderingStar Dude, take your medication, or, alternately, stop.
12-05-2011 04:49 PM
tdw
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
td, apologies graciously accepted but not needed. Perhaps I need to update my charts, they still say "Here be dragons" in some parts, so to me the existence or behavior of dragons is quite relevant to my sailing. Unless one questions the cartographers who put that little warning on the charts. Money, politics, mind-altering drugs...there must be some reason for that note on the charts. Do not lick the quill pen after using the silver ink, perhaps?
HS ... maybe I've licked too many of those ag impregnated quill pens in my time but I've always thought "here be dragons" to be a tempting invitation to visit ...
12-05-2011 01:27 PM
hellosailor td, apologies graciously accepted but not needed. Perhaps I need to update my charts, they still say "Here be dragons" in some parts, so to me the existence or behavior of dragons is quite relevant to my sailing. Unless one questions the cartographers who put that little warning on the charts. Money, politics, mind-altering drugs...there must be some reason for that note on the charts. Do not lick the quill pen after using the silver ink, perhaps?
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