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12-16-2011 06:15 PM
FishDragon What helpful information - thank you everyone! Have a great weekend!!

12-16-2011 05:48 PM
zz4gta +1 to hellosailor's comments. Sailing, and "racing" are two separate activities. And they require separate tools to do well.
12-16-2011 05:12 PM
hellosailor fishdragon, beware of measuring your old sails to get dimensions. Old sails are stretched out, and the dimensions will exceed the "correct" dimensions for you boat. When in doubt ask the loft if they have the design specs for your boat, or use a steel (not fiberglass) tape measure and also measure the dimensions on your rig. It is an assumption, sometimes wrong, that the correct original rig is on an old boat. When you're ordering sails--you don't want any assumptions.

Also consider that a loft which is paying attention to business should be willing and able to answer any question you have--and if they don't or can't answer, maybe that's a reason to use another loft, even if it costs a bit more.

You may not want racing sails if you are not racing. Consider that a cruiser may have just two sails (main & fore) or four sails (add two storm sails) while a racer is more likely to have 6, 8, 10 or more. A "light main" for winds under 10 knots, a heavier one, multiple foresails, etc. The weight and shape of the main can be cut for specific wind ranges, and you might want to think about your local winds and ask the loft about cloth weight, etc. Durable usually means heavier, and heavier is not so good if you are in an area that has light winds a lot of the time during sailing season. OTOH if you are in a region with constant heavy winds--you don't want a lighter less expensive cloth.

Don't be afraid to ask the loft. Or to tell them, you're new to this, what other options should you be looking at.
12-16-2011 04:10 PM Check out The Sail Warehouse and National Sail Supply. Both have reasonable prices for cruising sails and are good people to deal with.
12-16-2011 04:09 PM
sailortjk1 Another source to mention is FX Sails.
Sunfish Sails, Catalina Sails, Spinnakers, Hobie Sails, Small Boat Sails from the Sail Store

Just be warned, they get mixed reviews.
I have heard very good things about the quality and the price for new sails usually can not be beat. I have sailed on a boat that uses these sails and for the normal recreational boater, the quality is very good.
The negatives have always been poor delivery time. If you want them new for Spring you should be ok.
Thier on line quote request is very fast and easy.
12-16-2011 04:04 PM
zz4gta Those are very good prices for dacron. My boat is a little bigger but was quoted around 1200+ for a mainsail. The main I ended up getting was around $2200.

If measuring worries you, might want to consider hiring a sailmaker to measure your boat. Although, that may be frowned upon, most of the time sailmakers expect to make a sale after doing the leg work.

The 7.5 will be fine. I have a 3000 lbs boat with a 3.5hp motor that moves just fine. Although, when the wind and waves are up, it's just better to sail.
12-16-2011 04:02 PM A 5 hp 4-stroke will be plenty of motor for your boat. One of your main concerns will be shaft length, 15" or 20", referred to as short shaft or long shaft, and is measured from the top inside of the mounting bracket to the horizontal plate, called the cavitation plate, directly above the prop. Measure your Gamefisher; most likely it is a short shaft; I had one. Before you buy, have someone, preferably a little heavier than you, go forward while you are back with the motor. When he is forward at the bow, does your cavitation plate come out of the water. If it does, you should seriously consider the longer shaft option. Check out for new or Ebay for a used motor.
12-16-2011 03:03 PM
good advice

You can give them the IJPE info from the site for NOW. But when it comes time to order anything, make sure the sailmaker steps on the boat and measures for themself.
Very true, my P measurement was 1/2" smaller than spec which would have resulted in less than full hoist. Even if you order a sail from a distance, you should have a local rigger make the measurements.
12-16-2011 02:57 PM
FijiSomeDay chances are the carb just has some junk in it, easy to clean out with solvent and a screwdriver. there ought to be a small fuel filter in the line to replace as well.

I have been replacing the sails on my 1978 Ranger 22 over the past few years. There are a lot of decent used sails out there, but since I am racing here on Lake Tahoe I opted for a new main from North Direct, and am saving up for racing headsails. The mainsail is good but the purchase experience was less than satisfactory as it had to be shipped from Sri Lanka and did not meet promised delivery dates. In the future I will go with local sailmakers (which may in fact be the North factory in Minden, NV).
12-16-2011 01:08 PM
FishDragon I did run the motor, and it died on me the second time I tried taking the boat out - that's why I know it needs work, or to be replaced. And while I have a few bucks to spend on the boat, I don't "have a lot of money" - if I did, I would have bought a newer and/or better boat. Thanks for your help.
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