SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Seamanship & Navigation > Asymmetric spinnaker with dousing sock. Questions.
 Not a Member? 

Seamanship & Navigation Forum devoted to seamanship and navigation topics, including paper and electronic charting tools.


Thread: Asymmetric spinnaker with dousing sock. Questions. Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
12-18-2011 10:34 AM
svHyLyte
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
...
Right after the gybe is completed I check that lazy sheet is over the pulpit.

I have only ever wrapped one spin sheet, we had a short sail back to calm water. One crew member donned a wet suit and googles and we unwrapped it, not cutting necessary.
One solution to the matter of wayward assym sheets is using a single continuous sheet which reduces the need line length by about 1/3rd. We us a single 3/8" spectra sheet with the cover stripped for the last 15' on either end. This is led to through turning blocks on the aft quarters then, on each side, forward and around the headstay but inside the assym tack line (because we usually do "inside gybes") and then secured to the sail's clew. The loop of line in the cockpit passes in front of the helm between our spinnaker winches. Organized in this manner, the lazy sheet is never lost.

FWIW...
12-17-2011 02:00 PM
Faster
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Interesting idea. I might give that try.

Right after the gybe is completed I check that lazy sheet is over the pulpit.

I have only ever wrapped one spin sheet, we had a short sail back to calm water. One crew member donned a wet suit and googles and we unwrapped it, not cutting necessary.

Same here... in September off Samsun Narrows. My brother managed to free it without a wet suit... we ran low on Rum that day!
12-17-2011 01:52 PM
jackdale
Quote:
Originally Posted by SailingJackson View Post
.

Since then I've been pretty careful to take care of the lazy sheet. I generally do a couple of wraps of electical tape to hold it to the lifeline. When we gybe, the tape breaks away, but until then the line is prevented from going overboard.

G. Jackson
Interesting idea. I might give that try.

Right after the gybe is completed I check that lazy sheet is over the pulpit.

I have only ever wrapped on spin sheet, we had a short sail back to calm water. One crew member donned a wet suit and googles and we unwrapped it, not cutting necessary.
12-17-2011 01:46 PM
svHyLyte
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkSF View Post
I have what I think is an asymmetric spinnaker with sock. I've done a little research and THINK I know how to use it. Is the following right?

Attach tack in front of the jib furler. The head is hoisted by the spinnaker halyard. The two sheets go in front of the forestay and back to the jib winches. The chute is gybed by pulling it across, in front of the forestay.

The sock when the spinnaker is deployed sits at the top.

Do you leave the sock hoisted, and the whole thing in the sock, when it's not in use, and then deploy it - or keep the whole thing below and hoist it when you're about to deploy it?
See Asymmetrical Spinnaker
12-17-2011 11:39 AM
SailingJackson
What's the worst that could happen?

Dousing before gybe probably makes sense in a 44' boat. Unless there's heavy air, I won't bother doing that on my 36' boat.

An earlier posting asked the question "What's the worst that could happen?". I'm sure there's much worse, but before I was accustom to gybing I had an issue. We were on the Michigan side of Lake Michigan, just before sunset. It was May and the water was around 42 degrees. Home port is the Wisconsin side, about 12 hours to the west. I had lots of hours on a similar sail on a 25' boat, but unaccustom to it on a 36 boat, I lost track of the lazy sheet and it ended up overboard and wrapped up on the prop. We couldn't turn on the engine with it wrapped, we couldn't sail into an unknown port at dusk w/o the motor, so we turned west and sailed all night back to Wisconsin. Then back on the Wisconsin side at dawn, about 5 miles offshore, the wind died and we were parked. Without many alternatives and not wanting to wait 10 hours for the wind to come up, one of the crew volunteered to jump into the icy cold water and cut the line.

Since then I've been pretty careful to take care of the lazy sheet. I generally do a couple of wraps of electical tape to hold it to the lifeline. When we gybe, the tape breaks away, but until then the line is prevented from going overboard.

G. Jackson
12-17-2011 10:41 AM
TQA If you have a spi pole there is nothing to stop you using that to increase the angle that you can fly the thing.

As for gybing I STRONGLY recomend dousing the monster with the sock, gybing then trimming the sheets and relaunching. Getting the monster wrapped around your forestay or furler is no fun. Ask me how I know this.
12-17-2011 02:30 AM
MarkSF I figure I'll try it this weekend without all the accessories, and if I like it will get the various blocks for the tack and sheets.
12-17-2011 01:29 AM
BarryL Hey,

My Newport 28 came with an asym kite in a sock. It was a lot of fun to use. There are a number of web sites from sail makers that have videos on how to use the kite. Do watch them as they definitely help.

It is better to have an adjustable tack line but not a requirement. You can just tack it to something at the bow, but make sure whatever you attach to is strong enough.

Make sure the sheets go outside of everything and you should have blocks shackled to the aft corners of the boat - the sheets should have as wide a run aft as possible.

Dousing is much easier if you head deep downwind and use the main to blanket the spinnaker.

My current boat doesn't have a chute and I do miss it.

Good luck,
Barry
12-16-2011 09:57 PM
killarney_sailor I find for dousing that it works a bit better to release the tack (you need someway to release this quickly) rather than the sheet. Try both ways though and see which is better.
12-16-2011 09:55 PM
PaulinVictoria You want to be able to adjust the tack height and also to let it go in case of "interesting" situations so ideally you want the tack line back to somewhere easy to get to. Having said that, the boat I raced on for a while didn't have it led aft, then again I think we were slower with asym up than with the jib
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:31 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.