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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#1,875 · (Edited)
There is a new racer cruiser class box rule for serious racers, an all carbon fast boat, a big one with 100ft:eek:

Well, we would expect a carbon racer to have a pretty poor interior, just the needed for racing but not this one. The minimum racer-cruiser interior fit out would comprise of:

Owners en-suite cabin with queen size double.
Two guest cabins with split beds that give the option of singles or doubles.
Additional pullman berths in each of these cabins would be an option if racing offshore.
A large saloon split into a separate lounge and dining area.
Galley to port with rule minimum, 3 hob stove, oven, fridge and freezer.
Chart table with day head to starboard.

The crew area is spacious, but it can be fitted out using lighter materials and methodology than the guest areas and it comprises part of the accommodation requirements of the rule. There is one en-suite cabin with two bunks and an allowance for pipe cots if additional crew is required for cruising or if racing offshore.


This is the design program and you are already thinking, this is no race boat. Well, look at the first one:

Green Marine - Southampton - Wally Cento : 100 pieds, 100% Wally - Annonce bateaux - Annonces bateaux - Occasion Bateaux - Occasion Voiliers - Occasion voiles

And look at all this carbon interiors:











Of course, it could only be a wally, the Wally Cento:D the design is from judel-vrolijk and it will be made by Wally.



 
#1,876 · (Edited)
I bet this boat is going to be a huge sucess;)







The new Pogo 30

With a LOA of 9.14 meters and a Beam with 3.70 meters the Pogo will be a class A boat (offshore) and can have have a fixed keel or a swinging keel.

It should have plenty space inside and it will be fast as all the Pogos.

It will cost around 80,000 euros - not including shipping and sails.



Usinage Maquette Pogo 30 from Pogo Structures on Vimeo.
 
#1,880 · (Edited)
Some guys have said that they had learned something on this thread about boats. I am happy and proud with that.

Regarding that shared knowledge I have posted a generic post on another thread that I think can contribute to those global better view of cruising sailboats and I will post it here too:

Any sailing boat is also a sports machine unless you chose not to use it like that and stay in port when you can have fun with the boat.

Sailboats are slow if you compare them with a car and a car is slow if compared with an airplane but the sensations you can get on a sailboat are not with accordance with that slowness, the same way you can have much more vivid sensations in a car comparing with an airplane that is way faster.

Between sailboats a 1K difference is a lot and you can say that is nothing but that is not what is more important between a performance cruiser and a modern cruiser sailboat it is the sensation and precision you have at the wheel.

The sensation you got at the wheel of a light sports car has nothing to do with the sensation you have at the wheel of a modern turbo diesel sedan even if the two can go at the same speed in the straight line (and on the boats the performance one will be faster). While on the sports cars you put the car exactly where you want it with a minimum effort, on the Diesel sedan, is more or less. Of course, all that precision calls for an experienced driver to take advantage of it.

That's about the difference you have in what regards steering between a modern cruiser and a good performance cruiser. Now that the boats have a two wheel set up the differences are even more noticeable. The two wheel set up takes sensibility to the wheel and to compensate that there is needed a top ruder system, not only stronger but with a very low friction.

When you go out downwind at 10k (I hope it would be more in my next boat) with 25/30K wind surfing two meter waves that come slightly sideways you have about the same sensation at the wheel as when going fast on a twisting dirt road with a powerful car or bike: You have to have the wheel in constant motion to control the slides, you know, just like in a car, before it happens you have to compensate and before the slide finishes you have to have the wheel strait again.

The sensation you have in a boat on these conditions are not very different from the ones you have in a car going fast with the additional pleasure of controlling 8T with the tip of your fingers. I guess you will understand by this the importance of having a very sensitive steering.

The difference between a more sportive boat and a heavy boat here can be very important: While on this conditions a lighter sportive boat maintains a very light steering a heavy cruising boat can be hard on the wheel and what is a pleasure on a fast boat can turn up in a muscular tiring effort on a heavy boat, not to mention the much bigger control a sensitive wheel gives.

And if you think this are not very frequent conditions, well in what regards coastal cruising they are not but in what regards crossing oceans in the trade winds they are.

Another similarity I found is with my old racing dirt bike, I mean when you are powering upwind full sails on 18/20K wind. My boat could go at 7K sometimes jumping 3m waves crashing down and most of the time just breaking them, water flowing all around, in a very powerful and bumpy ride. The power that the boat is making on these conditions is huge and you can feel it at the wheel. Lots of work with the wheel to prevent the boat to slam and not to lose speed, keeping that power and speed up.

After some hours of this I was always amazed to find an intact interior:D. It is just wonderful that a cruising boat can take this kind of punishment without the interior coming apart.

A good cruising sailing boat is two things, a caravan and a sports machine. There are ones that are more a caravan others that are more a sports machine. For some sailors the sportive part is completely irrelevant, they only want a sea caravan, others only wanted fast cruising boats for racing.

For the ones that like sports and want also a sea caravan for the family the trick is too chose the right combination between interior space and sailing performance and regarding this you can be sure of one thing: The boat that you will see at the boat show with the bigger and nicer interior will not be the best sailing boat, specially in what concerns the space on the front cabin.


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#1,881 ·
I am a fan of New Zealand boat designers, boat builders and top sailors and now also a fan of sailing research in what regards sails and sailing. It is just amazing the contribution that this small country has done to modern boat design and sailing.

Linked to the Auckland University they run a Yacht research unit that is producing some great work that is already used by some of the VOR boats. Take a look:

 
#1,884 · (Edited)
Britannia is back!!!

The return of the old lady:

The boat that won more races in sailboat historyt is back, at least a faithful replica. Came on, do you think I am exaggerating about the victories? The boat won 231 races and stayed competitive for about 30 years!!!









The story:

..George Lennox Watson received a commission from Prince Albert Edward for a sailing yacht in 1892. He designed His Royal Highness' Yacht Britannia to the "Length And Sail Area Rule" as a First Class cutter .. She was launched on April 20, 1893…

By the end of her first year's racing, the Britannia had scored thirty-three wins from forty-three starts. In her second season, she won all seven races for the big class yachts on the French Riviera, and then beat the 1893 America's Cup defender Vigilant in home waters.

Despite a lull in big yacht racing after 1897, the Britannia served as a trial horse for Sir Thomas Lipton's challenger Shamrock I, and later passed on to several owners in a cruising trim with raised bulwarks. In 1920, King George V triggered the revival of the "Big Class" by announcing that he would refit the Britannia for racing. Although the Britannia was the oldest yacht in the circuit, regular updates to her rig kept her a most successful racer throughout the 1920s.

In 1931, she was converted to the J-Class with a bermuda rig, but despite the improvements, her performance to windward slopped dramatically. Her last race was at Cowes in 1935. During her racing career she had won 231 races and took another 129 flags.

King George V's dying wish was for his beloved yacht to follow him to the grave. On 10 July 1936, after the Britannia had been stripped of her spars and fittings, her hull was towed out to St Catherines Deep near the Isle of Wight, and she was sunk by HMS Winchester (L55), commanded by Captain W.N.T. Beckett RN. This fate marked the end of big yacht racing in Europe, with the smaller and more affordable International Rule 12-Metre Class gaining popularity.

A new replica of the Britannia was built Russia in from 1993 to 2009, and after legal problems in securing her release from her Russian shipyard,[2] she was shipped to Norway and subsequently sold to a foundation in Cowes that will finish and rig the yacht.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMY_Britannia_(Royal_Cutter_Yacht)

This is the replica:

http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/troms_og_finnmark/1.6707367

And this is the replica story:

The strange case of the stranded royal yacht | Cruising News

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#1,885 ·
Look at this baby:







The aim of this foiler is to fly at over 40K easily. I mean for you me and everybody with some sailing experience. The foils position and angle are computer controlled.

They are presenting the project at Dusseldorf boat show and extensive testing will follow in Spring.

The boat is not just a speed test project but is intended to be produced and offered on the market. The boat has places for two.

They intend to continue developing the concept and after the two place boat develop an offshore big one, to steal the record from the Hydroptere.

I will be following this one. There is a strong team of engineers behind it and it promises interesting developments: Half airplane, half boat a flier low above the water. I like it;)
 
#1,887 · (Edited)
A new Southerly, the 420, that comes to replace the 42DS. Lots of space for a 42 ft boat, a truly great interior for living aboard, but an uglier boat, I mean in what regards the outside looks:

This one is a center cockpit boat and that means lot's of space on an aft cabin but also a high freeboard boat, too high in my opinion to make it a nice looking boat.

The other one, the 42 DS was a truly decksaloon, not this one that has a lower saloon. That permits a bigger saloon, but with limited views.

I guess that most people would gladly change the better outside views and a better looking boat for a bigger and very nice interior. The new 420 has certainly a bigger interior than the old 42DS and a very nice one.











 
#1,888 · (Edited)
New test on the Salona 38 by the German magazine "Yacht" and they have tested it in heavy weather....They have liked the boat specially in what concerns sailing qualities and quality/price.


(this photo was not from this test where only two sailed the boat, but a nice photo taken when Dean Barker test sailed the boat).

Yacht magazine has said about the Salona 38:

The new performance cruiser from Croatia scores not only with safe handling in the wave crests in Barcelona, but also with good adaptability to racing and cruising. This 38ft is an interesting and economical alternative to X-Yachts, Solaris and Co.


Movie:

Neue Salona 38 im Schwerwettertest - Yacht TV

The last number of Yacht seems to be great in what boat testing is concerned and not only. On the same issue they tested the Salona 38, the Astus 18, the Archambault 34 (A34) the Sun Odyssey 44, the Amel 55 and still manage to have space for an article about Danish boats (on the front page a Luffe 45).

http://www.yacht.de/fileadmin/user_upload/heft_info/titel03_2012.jpg

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#1,889 ·
The new Kiwi 40 FC ia an absolutely gorgeous boat. That is a NZ 40 class racer designed by Farr but it is a different class 40 because it is a more all around boast.

It is designed to to do well also on fleet crewed racing, or ocean racing out of the trades winds, the Sydney Hobart for instance. I am very curious to see how the boat will perform on both fields.

They are selling boats to Europe and to US and that means that there are a lot of sailors interested. They have also plans to develop a cruiser racer. Take a look at this hot boat:

 
#1,890 · (Edited)
First photos of the Bavaria vision 46, presented at Dusseldorf boat show, posted by Yacht magazine: The boat looks elegant and the hull seems slick. The interior is much more modern than on the last Vision and has space everywhere. The boat seems bigger than a 46 ft. The storage space is huge. This one would give a good boat to live aboard.

















 
#1,891 ·
The first 2012 edition of the German magazine Yacht presented the new Salona 35. Not yet a test, just a preview because the first boat will now only be presented in Düsseldorf. But their first analysis looks very nice (own translation, sorry for any inaccuracy):

The new Salona 35 replaces the 34 and J&J Designs have thoroughly reshaped their own design from 2008. Visual and conceptual changes have been made following the Salona 38 presented last summer, such as long roof windows and square ports in the hull.
Compared to the previous model the cockpit is more clearly structured and the main traveler is built in a sink. The transom is left open, with a bridged seat that secures the cockpit at sea and can serve as a gangway when moored. The twin wheels are a particular feature on this size of boat. The rig is traditional, with chain plates built inwards near the roof and strains brought to the hull structure internally. This makes it possible to use overlapping foresails up to 140%.
As in all Salona’s, strains are brought to a steel frame that is laminated into the hull. Therefore the Croatians now use carbon fibers.
Below decks also the 35 has a traditional lay-out, with two separated cabins, one heads compartment and a symmetrically shaped saloon. It is very similar to the former 34 but the designers have made a great effort concerning looks and attractive feel. The Salona 35 should be available at an attractive standard price of € 118.400.

Referring to Paulo’s experience with the design and build quality of Salona, I think this 35 may become a big success. For those who dislike the beamy “open” type of hull shapes and/or prefer overlapping foresails instead of a big fathead main, I think Salona may have hit the bull’s eye once again.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
#1,892 ·
Thanks Eric. while we wait that someone post online the first pictures of the Salona 35 that as you say has been presented in Dusseldorf, Yacht Magazine has posted some photos of the new Hanse 415:







The Hull looks smart and the cockpit looks great. It is a pity that table that seems too big for the cockpit (when folded). The boat has an interesting approach in what regards rigging with the four winches on the cockpit near the man at the wheel, instead of two near and two over the cabin. Seems an interesting solution. That massive bomb on the keel would also be nicer if smaller I mean if lead was used instead of iron. Maybe it can be done was an option.







The interior, well, it is a deception: It is a Hanse Ikea type interior, I would say, as expected:eek:. I don't understand why they don't hire a good professional team to design a modern good looking interior. The French with a similar quality are miles away in what refers looks and design.

This one Is even more odd than the others: Why in the hell they put the outside view (port window) on the galley? It would not make more sense to put them on the saloon?

Regards

Paulo
 
#1,893 ·
The interior, well, it is a deception: It is a Hanse Ikea type interior, I would say, as expected:eek:. I don't understand why they don't hire a good professional team to design a modern good looking interior. The French with a similar quality are miles away in what refers looks and design.

This one Is even more odd than the others: Why in the hell they put the outside view (port window) on the galley? It would not make more sense to put them on the saloon?
I agree. The hull port is in the wrong place. The dark, vertical wood grains not only make the interior look cheap, they also shorten it visually.

Also on deck, carbon wheels suggest this boat is supposed to be used for sailing. But any sailor knows the big stand-alone display on the cockpit table will only be useful to watch TV in the harbour. It will not survive the first day of sailing in any but the lightest conditions.

I think Hanse needs a lot more coaching from their Dehler crew...

Best regards,

Eric
 
#1,895 · (Edited)
The main competition for the Bavaria 46 will come probably from Jeanneau and his Ds line.

Yacht magazine has tested the Sun Odyssey 44ds (you can download the test), here is the movie:

Die Deckssalonyacht mit der Augenbraue - Yacht TV

Well, the boat has a great aft cabin but is that enough to chose it over the SO 439? The 439 has the same hull is a nicer looking boat has less windage a more sportive rig and his an overall better balanced boat. Well it is, if you let your wife chose the boat:D



 
#1,896 ·
Is it fair to say that the term "deck saloon" has been misused by brands such as Jeanneau and Hunter? The latest Jeanneau is just a big eyebrow, and same hull? To me, d.s. and pilothouses have the design characteristic of being able to stand (galleys) or even sit (dinettes, nav stations) looking above deck and forward. Some examples of TRUE DSs in RMs, Sirius & Moody. I don't know what to properly call this new generation of well-skylit boats that call themselves deck saloons. Oyster has done an authentic, fluid and fabulous line design with this deck saloon "hybrid" I'm calling. Paulo starts to address the subject in the Southerly post above. Gunfleet seems to suffer the same issue. The question remains, where do deck saloons cease to be in these interesting sailboats? Is it a misuse of the term? Are we going to allow the charter industry redefine these? What should they be called? With more and more hull portlights, which I like best, I think some boats do a great job of bringing the horizon in (which I think is the goal in many cases). Limit the steps from cockpit to saloon to define?

Finally, just a quick BIG thanks and congratulations to Paulo for having this thread. I do not post much, but it is a blog in its own to me, and I look forward to it EVERY day. I'm an architect by training and just love to see and learn where marine technology and consumer trends are taking boat design. One day, maybe, print it and turn it into a book! I know the names of some collaborators to that book here as well.
Thanks to all and please keep it up!
Hans
Dorado, Puerto Rico
 
#1,897 · (Edited)
Is it fair to say that the term "deck saloon" has been misused by brands such as Jeanneau and Hunter? The latest Jeanneau is just a big eyebrow, and same hull? To me, d.s. and pilothouses have the design characteristic of being able to stand (galleys) or even sit (dinettes, nav stations) looking above deck and forward. Some examples of TRUE DSs in RMs, Sirius & Moody. I don't know what to properly call this new generation of well-skylit boats that call themselves deck saloons. Oyster has done an authentic, fluid and fabulous line design with this deck saloon "hybrid" I'm calling. Paulo starts to address the subject in the Southerly post above. Gunfleet seems to suffer the same issue. The question remains, where do deck saloons cease to be in these interesting sailboats? Is it a misuse of the term? Are we going to allow the charter industry redefine these? What should they be called? With more and more hull portlights, which I like best, I think some boats do a great job of bringing the horizon in (which I think is the goal in many cases). Limit the steps from cockpit to saloon to define?

Finally, just a quick BIG thanks and congratulations to Paulo for having this thread. I do not post much, but it is a blog in its own to me, and I look forward to it EVERY day. I'm an architect by training and just love to see and learn where marine technology and consumer trends are taking boat design. One day, maybe, print it and turn it into a book! I know the names of some collaborators to that book here as well.
Thanks to all and please keep it up!
Hans
Dorado, Puerto Rico
Thanks Hans,

I think you are right. There are few true deck saloons on the market and none not expensive or among the mass production boats. Hanse had one some years back as well as Dehler but they were not a commercial success and they stop making them.

They also call them raised deck saloons but I guess that what is raised is the ceiling:D

In most of them it has nothing to do with having a great view but with more interior space and light, less an interior of a boat, as they used to be and more like a modern apartment full of light. However a modern tendency on those boats is having also big port hulls that gave a good view and if you are near hills or if the coast line is not completely flat, those big superior "windows" will provide a view anyway and a good one if you are standing.

I like boats that have boat interiors;) but these interiors make a lot of sense for people that pass more time on anchor or at the marina than sailing (and they are the majority) and use many times the boat as an apartment. Understandably, in a boat that is used much more as a second house than as a sailing boat, they would prefer a more airy and house type interior.

The new Oyster 625 (nominated for European boat of the year on the Luxury cruiser class) is a good example of a boat with one of those interiors, I mean it is a very good one. The boat is not particularly good looking on the outside, but that interior is just sweet, for the ones that want an house/boat and have the money for it. As you can see those huge port hulls are almost the size of small windows and will provide a good view while the raising ceiling and the almost zenithal lighting will provide a "big" airy interior,











But regarding the RM, to be precise, they are not deck saloons but pilot house boats.

I mean they provide an outside view but not to the ones on the saloon. The outside view is for the one in the chart table. The the idea is not only to provide a luminous and airy saloon but also the possibility to sail the boat (with the help of a joystick) from the chart table.





Regards

Paulo
 
#1,901 · (Edited)
The Southerly 42 RST is the boat my wife would like to have. She does not sail actively but with many thousands of hours cruising, after testing with me lots of different sailboats and coming to many boat shows, she is not properly ignorant about boat design and she knows very well why she likes that boat. Of course it was not very difficult to explain to her that we cannot have that one:D. The boat is expensive, too expensive for us, too slow for me, but I really like a very fast boat, the same way I like a fast car.

The boat is very seaworthy, reasonably fast, very well built, with a great interior and great views to the exterior. The outside volume and shape is not too penalized by the height of the cabin and has that big bonus of having an insignificant draft.

That's why I was not very enthusiastic about the new Southerly 420 (post 2112) that I fear would replace this one. The new 420 is precisely that kind of raised ceiling saloon (also called with no much logic decksaloon) and not a true decksaloon like the Southerly 42 RST.

I only find the 42 RST a bit too heavy on the transom, I mean visually. With a beam brought more aft, a more clean design on the stern and eventually a redesign in interior style, the 42 could still have a long live ahead as a very modern and well designed boat. Actually I think that except in what concerns the interior (that is a different option and not comparable), the 420 is uglier than the 42 RST.













Southerly 42RST

Regards

Paulo

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#1,902 ·
Funny that you posted a pic of S/V Distant Shores. I happened upon their blog snd read it from start to finish. They went from the 42 to the 49. I REALLY like the idea of a swing keel and the freedom it offers to get closer to shore. Not to mention how it's designed to beach. Very expensive but nice to dream about a circumnavigation in one. As for speed it seems to do quite well against similar boats......

I guess what I'm saying is......your wife has great taste! :)

Ciao
 
#1,903 · (Edited)
When I am talking about "too slow for me" it is not on the video conditions, but with very light wind or with a lot of wind downwind. To go well I guess the Southerly will need at least 8K wind. I want a boat that can sail without almost no wind, I mean 4K wind and that can go well with 6K.

Downwind I want a boat that can plane with winds over 20K and that can go easily on 2 digit speeds. I know it is a lot for a cruising boat, but that is just what I want: I want not only a good sailboat but also a sportive sailboat. Besides cruising I would like to have a fast boat, a boat that can give a lot of fun sailing. I like sailing as much as I like cruising.

Yes, I don't doubt about my wife's good taste, after all she married me:D. In what regards boats I am lucky: If it is nothing very much naked as a Pogo, would not have a keel with more than 2.40 (even if everything with more than 2.00 m makes her protest) if the boat as an acceptable galley, a decent storage and it is a seaworthy boat, she would tolerate the rest just to make me happy;).

She just loved the Grand Soleil 39 and would be happy with it. I love the boat too even if I would prefer the XP 38 that has a surprisingly nice interior (small but nice) with a good storage and a decent galley.

The Xp 38 has also passed my wife examination with flying colors. Not very big but with a very nice ambiance (you cannot see that on the movies or photos) and enough storage. So that would be the one if I had not any financial limitations. On that one I would not even had to put more weight on the keel, as on the almost affordable (for me) Salona 38, to make it a better offshore boat. As it is the boat is already a great offshore boat.

So, since we are talking about the XP 38 that I said here (before being inside the boat) that it seemed to have a very stark and small interior, a new video with the interior, by Solovela (and some others). The interior is not big (because the boat has 3 cabins) but is much more cozy than what it appears on the movies and photos. You can feel the quality of it.



MOVIE:


http://tv.yacht.de/video/Schn%C3%B6rkellos-schnell-segeln/60a339f4446d8fa15ff44f4fc8b8ce14



I don't have plans to circumnavigate but I agree that the Southerly 42 RST makes a lot of sense as a boat to circumnavigate. I didn't post "Distant shores" by accident, it was a somewhat hidden message to the ones that know who is the owner of that boat (or was). It is not by accident that one of the most experienced sailing couples bought a Southerly to their circumnavigations after having for many years a slow heavy old style blue water boat.

Cheers

Paulo
 
#1,904 ·
Thanks!

Of the many boats that you've brought to light here, xp is another i find very interesting. I'd have to look azt my notes but i think the Xc line captured my attention a bit more and i would probably prefer a two cabin layout. There's been so many it's hard to keep them all straight! A fast cruiser with strong singlehanded capabilities would fit me well.

Regards,
 
#1,907 ·
The Xc 38 is a great offshore cruising boat, the rational choice, like a BMW. The Xp is a passion choice, also an offshore boat, but like a Porsche;)

The Xc has a luxurious interior, the Xp is more Zen but both got what it is needed for cruising. The XC has more tankage but in what regards diesel the Xp needs a lot less wind to sail and you can always mount an watermaker.

Here, some movies with the Xc 38:

MOVIE:

Der goldene Schnitt aus Dänemark - Yacht TV



Ciao

Paulo
 
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