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|01-06-2012 01:09 PM|
North South Yacht Sales | Used Sailboats For Sale | Ontario, Canada
From the listing:
"2 Private Staterooms and lots of Ventilation throughout
Free Standing Rig with Bulb-Wing 4'8" Draft, Keel Stepped Mast and Walk through Transom.
Windlass, Custom Carpets, Custom Davits, Dinghy & 15 HP Outboard, Auto Pilot, GPS, Wind Speed-Direction, Full Batten Main, Furlng Genoa, Electric Winch, Cockpit Enclosure, Customized larger V-Berth & Much More
Over $20,000 in upgrades over past few years including Espar heater, New SS Radar pole with NavPod & Raytheon C-Series Radar & plotter, repeater at nav station, & new haylards."
|01-06-2012 12:13 PM|
Free standing masts are not new technology. They have been around for thousands of years. Free standers are also very common on small sailing boats, think Opti's, Pelican's, Flying Fish, Lasers and the like. Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yacht's in the mid-1970's to build a line of yachts that could exploit the simplicity of the rigs to good advantage. They were/are very good boats but were/are viewed with suspicion by those raised and schooled on traditional fully supported rigs. A disadvantage of the free standing ring is that, as the weight of a boat increases its resistance to heeling also increases and, the amount of sail area necessary to move the boat at any reasonable speed also increases. When confronted with the loads imposed on the spar by much increased sail area, an unsupported spar will fall off or bend to leeward, shedding wind load-hence power-and so, efficiency. To counter this--to some extent--one can increase the stiffness of the spar but the resulting weight gain, unless the spar is tapered, is counter productive. Of course, tapering is costly. They laid-up carbon fiber spars of the Freedom line were very costly as they were not produced in great enough quantities to exploit economies of scale and they were also viewed with suspicion and distrust, particularly after the disastrous performance of the carbon fiber rudder shafts in the Fastnet in '79.
Warren Luhrs--Hunter Marine--developed the Vision series of boats for comfortable, easy, uncomplicated sailing and, while not my cuppa tea, seem to be very good at serving that end.
|01-06-2012 12:07 PM|
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
It's not in the equipment list.
EDIT: I did find it in description on broker page though. Thanks!
|01-06-2012 11:49 AM|
The boat currently listed on kijiji sails out of my marina and has seen a fair bit of cruising.
|01-06-2012 11:32 AM|
How many degrees does it take off the close hauled course, exactly? I mean, I don't understand the physical principles that would make a free standing mast unable to beat upwind as well as shrouded masts.
Is it just the fact that the mast bends and you lose power?
|01-06-2012 11:26 AM|
Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
|01-06-2012 11:14 AM|
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
The one I'm looking at is not through a brokerage. It seems to come with better accessories. i.e. full enclosure, extra batteries, etc... It also appears that the couple who owns the boat never did much sailing and used it more like a cottage on the water.
|01-06-2012 11:09 AM|
I'd say anywhere that efficient beating to windward is not a priority the various free standing rigs make a lot of sense. For example reaching between islands in the Caribbean looks like a good fit.
Not having to rely on stays and shrouds to stand up, a well engineered free standing rig should provide considerable peace of mind. Using carbon to minimize the weight of the larger section spar makes sense too but ups the cost, of course.
Nonsuch and Hunter use aluminum, tapered sections and they are large with the attendant windage, Freedom has almost always used CF. Hunter and Freedom offer models with vestigal jibs but headstay tension is always going to be a problem, hence the lack of need to beat efficiently would be a consideration in choosing such a boat.
It is a bit of a mystery why these have not caught on in the mainstream more than they have - but I suspect that most of us spend a fair time beating and so...... Interestingly in the eastern Caribbean we saw very few of these boats there too.
|01-06-2012 10:57 AM|
Jees, my boat is 33 years old and it has fully battened big roach sails from a factory. The first American ever complete around alone sailed his open 60 with freestanding mast and people still calling the rig experimental... Freestanding rigs are part of American boatbuilding culture with very long history.
Everyone with freestanding mast know that while kedging mast needs to be supported with spare/jib/spinnaker halyard on opposite side.
|01-06-2012 10:50 AM|
A Lot for sale??
Originally Posted by HeartsContent View Post
I see 4 32' Hunter Visions and 8 36' Hunter Visions on Yachtworld ... that "a LOT" ??
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