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01-15-2012 12:50 AM
chrisncate
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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
Potentially the most expensive stove fuel imaginable. I was watching one of those storage locker shows where a guy found an old copper still. He asked an old hillbilly friend what it was worth - "About 10 years" was the reply.
Naturally, I meant once outside of the US..
01-14-2012 11:46 PM
SloopJonB
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Originally Posted by chrisncate View Post
alcohol is available in more places worldwide than propane/propane fill stations*, and you can even make your own if you want to.
Potentially the most expensive stove fuel imaginable. I was watching one of those storage locker shows where a guy found an old copper still. He asked an old hillbilly friend what it was worth - "About 10 years" was the reply.
01-14-2012 07:56 PM
chrisncate
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Originally Posted by jrd22 View Post
Good find Jack, thanks.
Chris- my son has an alcohol stove on his boat (non-pressure, he's converting to propane) and it's not the stove that is the concern, it's the (rusty) tin gallon cans of fuel that are the worry for me (to say nothing of the $17/gal. cost and difficulty of finding it in most places). Granted you can transfer the alcohol to a regular gas can and carry it on deck, but transferring it to the cartridges in all but dead calm conditions is....messy.
I'm repurposing a never used plastic holding tank as my alcohol tank, complete with a "tap" spigot (gravity fed). The cartridge opening is about 3" across, and I'm thinking it won't be an issue with the above mentioned spigot.

I know propane is the fuel of choice, but I wanted something less volatile and super simple. Plus, alcohol is available in more places worldwide than propane/propane fill stations*, and you can even make your own if you want to.

*Let me add I am talking about the drinkable stuff, not denatured, but nevertheless.. it can be used and I will use it (for both internal lubrication as well as stove fuel)..
01-14-2012 05:47 PM
GaryHLucas The videos were really interesting. I was down at my boat last weekend and had brought a little portable heater that has an oxygen sensor so that it is rated for use indoors. I had it heating the cabin while I did some work. The flame went out and I thought maybe the gas bottle was empty. I unscrewed the bottle and gas immediately started shooting out of the bottle! It was clear that the valve in the top of bottle was defective. Imagine if the gas came out slowly enough that you didn't notice, and you tossed it into a locker!

I believe they make gasketed caps for the bottles, which seems like a good idea. However how good do they make something intended to be thrown away after one use?

Gary H. Lucas
01-14-2012 01:33 PM
killarney_sailor I second the wax ring idea. I think it is like the stuff in a jar they had in the video, just a lot cheaper. We have had one on board for many years and never used it - hope that continues. I think also that for leaks it does not have to be one method or another - you can combine a wooden plug with some of the wax for example with an irregularly shaped hole.
01-14-2012 11:52 AM
jrd22
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Originally Posted by chrisncate View Post
The non pressure alcohol stoves work very well, with no flare up potential. I don't mind the extra two minutes to boil a quart if it means zero risk of explosion.
Good find Jack, thanks.
Chris- my son has an alcohol stove on his boat (non-pressure, he's converting to propane) and it's not the stove that is the concern, it's the (rusty) tin gallon cans of fuel that are the worry for me (to say nothing of the $17/gal. cost and difficulty of finding it in most places). Granted you can transfer the alcohol to a regular gas can and carry it on deck, but transferring it to the cartridges in all but dead calm conditions is....messy.
01-14-2012 10:16 AM
Faster
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Originally Posted by jimrafford View Post
....One additional thing to plug thru hulls thing I keep on board also is couple of toilet bowl wax rings. You can ball it up and stuff it into any hold to plug it very quickly.
Great idea... thanks.
01-14-2012 09:56 AM
jimrafford Now that was worth the time to watch. Good post Jack.
I would bet you w/ most people if you were on their boat and asked them where there thru hull plugs were they wouldn't remember, if they had them at all.
My dad worked for Kenyon marine and used to have to investigate stove fires. Believe it on not it was usually white gas used in an alcohol stove.
I've personally experianced engine gas explosions and thru hull failures. The explosion blew the engine cover and the person that was standing on it out of the boat. In the excitement of the moment finding what you need is stressful. We practice what to do every year.
Just this past fall our alternator caught on fire. W/ smoke billowing out of the engine compartment I asked my wife to grab one of the fire extinguishers. She was panicking and couldn't find one. We have 5 and one was right in front of her.
Jim
One additional thing to plug thru hulls thing I keep on board also is couple of toilet bowl wax rings. You can ball it up and stuff it into any hold to plug it very quickly.
01-14-2012 02:19 AM
centaursailor Great video's, really brings the dangers to life.
I was thinking the same about the dry powder, would add to panic in an already stressful situation.
I believe Gas is as safe as any properly maintained and stored fuel. Turn off at the bottle when not in use and fit a gas alarm for peace of mind.
Safe sailing
01-14-2012 01:19 AM
chrisncate
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Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Yes
The non pressure alcohol stoves work very well, with no flare up potential. I don't mind the extra two minutes to boil a quart if it means zero risk of explosion.
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