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09-27-2006 02:27 PM
John_colpitts There are 3 totally different Morgan 38's, designed by Charlie Morgan, Ted Brewer (382/3/4) and a more recent center cockpit version by Catalina.

Performance wise, when I look at NE PHRF ratings, the Morgan 382 rates 144, the 384 is 135, the C&C LF 38 is also 135. These boats are all very close in performance.

The Tartan 37CB is slower at a PHRF of 177.

The Newport 41 is in a different class altogether with a PHRF of 102.

The Tartan, C&C, and Morgan were all on our short-list, as 38' was at top of our "ideal size" list. We wound up with a Morgan.
09-27-2006 04:19 AM
KeelHaulin
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Originally Posted by avazquez
Well, if you have any pictures, I would love to see them, also pictures of you boat in general. I am trying to build my own database on Newport 41's.
Go to this website for pictures and database:

www.capitalyachts.info

Check the "forsale" section; Ray's "Baseline" is listed. You might want to consider transporting it to the Gulf. Also there were shoal draft keel boats produced in later years; if you are willing to wait/search you might find one somewhere in the Gulf states.
09-22-2006 01:18 PM
avazquez
Would love to see those picture and others...

Well, if you have any pictures, I would love to see them, also pictures of you boat in general. I am trying to build my own database on Newport 41's. Also if you know of any N41's for sale in the east coast, caribbean or southeast please let me know.

Anthony....
09-21-2006 08:34 PM
paulmcquillan Interesting chance to compare. End of August race with our N41 w. new main, old 140% genoa (for about more two weeks).

Broad reach in 17-18 kts wind avg 8.8 (top speed 9.4)
Beam reach in 13-15 kts wind 7.9 to 8.6 typical

Photos of grinning crew showing speedo/wind avail
09-21-2006 08:30 AM
avazquez
Down to Newport and Morgan

Well I think that the Newport 41 would still be the best choice. Classic lines with a rating of 102. That is very hard to beat. The problem lies in finding a good one. The next option for me would be a Morgan 38.

If anyone knows of any other options in the same price range please let me know.
09-20-2006 06:38 PM
Valdare Have no idea if the rating is correct or not. I don't race normally. when I did race I sailed one design (S2 7.9), so never got into the ratings. I know they gave me a break because I had a furler, dodger and Bimini.

I have a full batten main with a 155 Genoa (furling). Sails are two years old. Never could flatten the boat with the old 20 yr. old sails. I picked up 1/2 to 1 kt. when with the new sails.

Speed was COG sailing in Lake Erie, may have had a little current at the start of the broad reach due to shipping channel, but maintained speed from the Detroit River light to Toledo horn.

AS they say that's my story and I'm sticking to it
09-20-2006 04:55 PM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by Valdare
Avazquez,

Two place to go.. Sailnet has a Morgan group. Great people and you can get info on any Morgan made. As I mentioned before Morgan38.org is the Morgan 38 site and you again can read and see pictures of our Morgans.

I have an 1983 Morgan 384, I don't race but they tell me my PH RF rating is 160. Others on the board have ratings of 140.

Speeds,
Last week: Broad Reach 18/20 kt (true) winds: Boat speed average for 3 hrs 7.5, Beam Reach winds 12/14kt (true) boat averaged 6.5 for 4 hours. Close haul 55 degrees, wind speed 10/12(true) boat speed 6.2. Those are actual speeds averaged last week.
Normally at 10 kts. is where we start to go easily gets to 5.5 to 6 with out much work. Under 10 it's a crap shoot as to what we will do. I've gone 5.5 at 7kts. 60 degrees off the wind. I've also gone 4.5.

John
Maybe I'm wrong but that seems awfully fast for a boat with a 160 rating.
09-19-2006 05:54 PM
Valdare Avazquez,

Two place to go.. Sailnet has a Morgan group. Great people and you can get info on any Morgan made. As I mentioned before Morgan38.org is the Morgan 38 site and you again can read and see pictures of our Morgans.

I have an 1983 Morgan 384, I don't race but they tell me my PH RF rating is 160. Others on the board have ratings of 140.

Speeds,
Last week: Broad Reach 18/20 kt (true) winds: Boat speed average for 3 hrs 7.5, Beam Reach winds 12/14kt (true) boat averaged 6.5 for 4 hours. Close haul 55 degrees, wind speed 10/12(true) boat speed 6.2. Those are actual speeds averaged last week.
Normally at 10 kts. is where we start to go easily gets to 5.5 to 6 with out much work. Under 10 it's a crap shoot as to what we will do. I've gone 5.5 at 7kts. 60 degrees off the wind. I've also gone 4.5.

John
09-19-2006 04:39 PM
avazquez No No No Not at all dont get me wrong, I believe that the Morgan is one very desirable and beautiful yacht. Actually my computer screensaver is a Morgan 384. Maybe you can help me out. I have seen a Morgan 382 with the tall mast of the 384. How would this sailboat rate in terms of PHRF? What is your cruising speed?

There are plenty of good Morgans for sale and I am considering them also. tell me about your experience.

Thanks
09-19-2006 02:24 PM
Valdare I would not consider the Morgans slow. From the conversations on the board there are many who race successfully. And for sure they are out on the oceans of the world cruising. I am not sure how you measure speed. They certainly are not the super fast ultra lites of current build but for their time Morgans are not considered slow.

John
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