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02-08-2012 01:45 PM
SloopJonB
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointy_End View Post
The inboard is a 1985 Yanmar 8hp and the boat weighs 7000lbs. As a result the inboard only pushes it along at ~4kn, but with the IB+OB it does 6kn+. This is an issue as we have some very strong currents around here. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but it works.

My wife and I both get good vibes from this boat. It's the first one where I didn't bother taking pictures or notes because I knew I'd be seeing it again.
The Cor. 27 is a LOT more boat than the G 23. As to the Yanmar not pushing it - sounds like a prop problem is likely. I had one of those little one lung Yanmars (YSM8) and it had way more power than my 26' could use. It should EASILY push that boat to hull speed.
02-08-2012 01:15 AM
Pointy_End Well I thought I'd post an update since I've now looked at both the Grampian 23 and the Coronado 27.

Grampian 23 thoughts/notes:

- nice little boat, seemed quite sturdy
- new keel bolts and the 9.9hp 2-stroke worked well
- lots of accessories including an inflatable dingy and a full set of charts
- very large inside considering it's length, but I didn't like the fact that the head was flush up against the V-berth
- seemed very moist inside. I stuck my hand under the V-berth cushion and it came out soaking wet...yuck

Coronado 27 thoughts/notes:

- Seems very well kept, it's obvious the owner takes pride in it's upkeep
- sails seem to be in good shape, plus it has a roller furling
- VERY dry inside; cushions didn't seem moist in the slightest, and I think there might have been a few tablespoons of water in the bilge
- Iron keel was completely redone (epoxy, paint, keel bolts) about 3yrs ago
- bottom painted less than a year ago, zincs done
- the interior is huge for a boat this size, as is the head
- the deck is also huge! The owner says he routinely puts 3 or 4 lawn chairs on the deck when he has guests on board and I can believe it. The deck also seemed very solid; I weigh 225lbs and I couldn't feel any give
- all of the stanchions are solid (first time I've seen this)
- I really like the deck design; no more squeezing by the shrouds to get to the fore-deck
- diesel exhaust elbow replaced a few years ago (apparently these are expensive)
- new 3 blade prop
- 2x brand new marine batteries

Unfortunately the 8hp 2-stroke wouldn't start during our viewing, however I found out why he has it installed along with the inboard. The inboard is a 1985 Yanmar 8hp and the boat weighs 7000lbs. As a result the inboard only pushes it along at ~4kn, but with the IB+OB it does 6kn+. This is an issue as we have some very strong currents around here. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but it works.

My wife and I both get good vibes from this boat. It's the first one where I didn't bother taking pictures or notes because I knew I'd be seeing it again.
02-04-2012 08:30 PM
SloopJonB
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Originally Posted by Pointy_End View Post
Yes I think you're right, it's the other way around. My understanding is that the Coronado 27 is a Columbia 26 MkII hull lengthened by a foot and with a different deck, at least according to this website. If you look at the profiles on sailboatdata.com this does look very plausible.

Thank you, it is good to hear from a Coronado owner, especially with positive things to say.

I went to look at the Coronado 27 briefly this afternoon. I was very surprised by the massive side profile; the cabin takes up the entire beam. It must be huge inside.
Every Coronado built after they merged with Columbia is a Columbia hull with a different lid and sometimes a different transom - they put plugs in the mold to change the transoms. My Columbia 43 hull was also the Columbia 45 and the Coronado 45. The Col. 34II was also the Cor. 35. The Col. 41 was also the Col. 39 and the Cor. 41
02-04-2012 06:45 PM
Pointy_End
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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
The Columbia 26 Mk II is not a re-hash of the Coronado 27.

...

Hope that helps.
Yes I think you're right, it's the other way around. My understanding is that the Coronado 27 is a Columbia 26 MkII hull lengthened by a foot and with a different deck, at least according to this website. If you look at the profiles on sailboatdata.com this does look very plausible.

Thank you, it is good to hear from a Coronado owner, especially with positive things to say.

I went to look at the Coronado 27 briefly this afternoon. I was very surprised by the massive side profile; the cabin takes up the entire beam. It must be huge inside.
02-02-2012 11:34 AM
Faster I think the Coronado rap for bad construction is mostly earned by the larger 35 CC.. and even they have their defenders.

JSB is right about the G26... quite the upwind performer when properly handled, too.

The Coronado you linked to looks in pretty nice shape, but the O/B does look like it's set up for regular use.. and it has an inboard??? hmmmmm. However if you can get the engine running it's a much better setup for rough conditions than any outboard on the transom on any boat.

Anyhow for $5K nowadays you can certainly get more than 23 feet so no need to 'settle' for the G23 or the Crown 23. And if you and your family really take to this, or some free time opens up you're set for some real cruising - and it would be a shame to live in this area and not take advantage..
02-02-2012 09:34 AM
BubbleheadMd The Columbia 26 Mk II is not a re-hash of the Coronado 27.

The C26 Mk II has iron ballast (just as an FYI). I owned a Coronado 25 for 2 years as my first boat and there are C26 Mk II's all around me.

First- My little Coronado was built like a tank. I sailed it in 30 kts, and did overnight and beer can races in it. I took 9th out of 15 in the series as my first attempt as racing skipper. A Coronado's primary weakness is the hull/deck joint, which can be repaired.

The Columbias are also tough, and well-built and there is an active Yahoo forum for them, that you might want to check out.

Ok, so they're tough, but how well do they sail? Neither boat is a high performance machine. They don't sail super close to weather, but they're fairly stable. The underwater profile is very low-tech. The rigs are short, and they have short waterlines, so they aren't very quick. They have a low sail area to displacement ratio. These boats are mainly family weekender/short haul cruisers. If you can avoid buying the shoal draft version, you'll do better.

Neither boat can be easily trailered. Both boats will be less expensive to maintain than a 30-35 footer.

Overall, the two boats are very, very similar, and if you had to choose between the two (assuming similar condition and accessories), I'd go with the C26 Mk II because of the active forum and sailing association. You can get lots of help and ideas to make the boat nice, for less money. Even though I owned a Coronado and found it to be a tough little boat, I would still give an edge in quality to Columbia.

Hope that helps.
02-02-2012 03:20 AM
SloopJonB Add the Grampian 26 to your list. Not going to win any beauty contests but has real standing headroom for over 6 footers. Port dinette is a squeeze for 4 but comfy for 2. Starboard galley is big enough to be useful and it has an enclosed head. Big cockpit and a cutout on the transom that makes the outboard a lot easier to use than most.

I chartered one for 4 of us one summer and we spent several days in the islands on it - served very well for such a small boat. If one became a keeper, it could be fixed up and customized to be a very nice little boat.
02-02-2012 02:40 AM
Pointy_End I feel like buying a boat is like rolling about 10 dice at once, with each die representing a part of the boat. There always seems to be one or two die that come up as 1's.
Maybe I'm just too picky, but I've been looking for a boat since October.


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Originally Posted by bljones View Post
Put this one on your list:
Northern 25 Sailboat for sale - British Columbia Sailboats For Sale - Kijiji British Columbia Canada.
Yeah, it's listed above your budget, but it never hurts to make an offer.
That boat has 6' 2" of headroom? Wow!
It's on the mainland so it's a ferry ride away for me, but not the end of the world. I am always looking for an excuse to go to Olive Garden (which we don't have on the island).

Quote:
Originally Posted by CapnBones View Post
... What kind of condition are the sails in? As far as a stove goes, we used a rail mount bbq to do everything for years and even now that I have a boat with a stove I still do most of my cooking on the bbq....
They tell me the sails are in good shape (100%, 150% and main), although the main has a 1/4" tear in it where some rigging snagged on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeOReilly View Post
This being said, I would look for something slightly larger; in the 25-27 foot range. Standing head room, and enough space to stow a week's worth of clothes and food, mean the difference between camping with a boat, and living on a boat. It's not that you couldn't live with the small space (I bet you're campers/trippers, right?), but it will wear thin after a few days.
That may be good advice. I am 6' and I'm sure I'd get tired of crouching down all the time, although the pop-top might make it tolerable. Oddly enough we're not really campers; have tried camping in a tent a few times but I just don't find it that appealing. I spent a few years in the army so I think that spoiled camping for me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
Here's a YW search for PNW.. (Sail) Cruiser Boats For Sale

The Grampian has a decent rep, a Columbia 26 might be more comfortable and better selection. If you're not too tall you may have headroom under the cabin house.

The Northern 25 is a great suggestion, a Coronado 25 is another; too bad about the head requirement because a 26 Thunderbird might otherwise be the best sailing possibility for you and there are a lot of them around too.. good cockpit, lots of owner support and knowledge base.

I'm not sure I'd be too tempted by the 30 Buccaneer on the link... something scary there. The Catalina 27, Hunter 25 and Tanzer 7.5 are all decent boats for our area.
I have looked at the Tanzer 7.5 and came to the conclusion that it would need a substantial cash injection before I'd be happy with it.

You guys really have me thinking about something bigger now.

Here is the ad for the Columbia 26 for $4800

There is also a Coronado 27 at the club that I belong to for $5500

The Coronado has been freshly painted, however it has a diesel, and I'm not sure if I want to enter that world. I'd also question why he has an outboard mounted to the transom if it has a good running diesel.

The other thing is that Coronados don't have stellar reviews, which also makes me question the build quality of Columbias.

Also, how much stock should I put in the "Motion Comfort" rating of a boat?
01-31-2012 11:08 AM
Faster Here's a YW search for PNW.. (Sail) Cruiser Boats For Sale

The Grampian has a decent rep, a Columbia 26 might be more comfortable and better selection. If you're not too tall you may have headroom under the cabin house.

The Northern 25 is a great suggestion, a Coronado 25 is another; too bad about the head requirement because a 26 Thunderbird might otherwise be the best sailing possibility for you and there are a lot of them around too.. good cockpit, lots of owner support and knowledge base.

I'm not sure I'd be too tempted by the 30 Buccaneer on the link... something scary there. The Catalina 27, Hunter 25 and Tanzer 7.5 are all decent boats for our area.
01-31-2012 10:51 AM
MarkCK It sounds like either the Grampian or the Columbia suits your needs. Although there are a lot of boats out there in this buyers market that will suit your specifications.
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