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08-18-2016 06:18 PM
ChristyH
Re: Grampian 23 vs ?

For Arcb:

That is very impressive on the family togetherness front. We did once fit 5 total, with 3 kids, into a borrowed 22', but it was a lot of work moving things around. Just two people should be a lot easier.
The leaks in the rain sound like a bit of a puzzle. Thanks for the warning. I should try to look on a rainy day!
08-18-2016 06:07 PM
ChristyH
Re: Grampian 23 vs ?

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Originally Posted by olson34 View Post
If I read this correctly, you are in BC. Find a Ranger 24 or a Haida. Both are Ray Richards designs and very well built - much better basic quality than the older 'cheapies' you have been talking about. Faster, too!


Loren
Thanks Loren. I have had a suggestion of a Haida from a friend too. It is an advantage that it was designed for that B.C. area. I will keep an eye out for one.
08-18-2016 05:51 PM
Arcb
Re: Grampian 23 vs ?

I am not familiar with the Aquarius, but am very familiar with Grampians. I lived aboard a 30' in Toronto and growing up my Dad had a 23, both 1974's.

On the 23 we were a family of 5 and we covered some pretty serious distance in the 23 we sailed all over Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, Lake Ontario all the way to the Thousand Islands in her. She was a stout little boat with good initial stability. The V-Birth was too small for my parents, so my older brother and I slept in the V-Birth, my little brother in the quarter birth and my parents (my Dad was a heavy 6'2") slept in the fold down dinette. We would do this for weeks at a time.

For your proposes, I can't think of a more spacious boat in the size range you are discussing than a G23. I also wouldn't be overly worried about seaworthiness. One concern I would have, for the west coast, is all Grampians that I have ever known, especially the 23's are very wet boats when it rains. The windows leak, the forward hatch leaks, leaks of unknown origin leak, and on the 23 the pop top leaks. Soft decks can be an issue too.

Having said that, unless you're willing to spend 5 figures, I can think of few better 23 foot cruising sailboats Then a G23.
08-18-2016 05:12 PM
olson34
Re: Grampian 23 vs ?

If I read this correctly, you are in BC. Find a Ranger 24 or a Haida. Both are Ray Richards designs and very well built - much better basic quality than the older 'cheapies' you have been talking about. Faster, too!


Loren
08-18-2016 04:32 PM
ChristyH
Re: Grampian 23 vs ?

I am still trying to decide two things: between a smaller boat (about 23') and one about 27'.

If about 23' then which has the nicer sailing characteristics of these two examples?
I am looking at a Grampion 23 which is a bit over-priced but in good condition apparently. He is asking $2500 (C) without outboard, dinghy or BBQ. or more with those "bits". On the other hand, there is a Aquarius 23 which is ugly inside, but seems to have all the sailing parts and has a trailer. It would be more or less "camping" for a while. It is also cheap and has a centreboard. I quite like the idea of the c/b and being able to store the boat without a lot of expense. I will be trying quite hard to avoid hairy weather anyway.

I did notice that the head in the Grampion is pretty snug to the head end of the forepeak berth and that could be bad for folk with noses. We would not get a lot of use in now, but that should increase later and make something bigger worthwhile then. The cabin on the Grampion being a bigger proportion of the boat than is common seems helpful for (sometimes) rainy West Coast conditions near Vancouver Island.
Thanks for any comments.
02-08-2012 02:45 PM
SloopJonB
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Originally Posted by Pointy_End View Post
The inboard is a 1985 Yanmar 8hp and the boat weighs 7000lbs. As a result the inboard only pushes it along at ~4kn, but with the IB+OB it does 6kn+. This is an issue as we have some very strong currents around here. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but it works.

My wife and I both get good vibes from this boat. It's the first one where I didn't bother taking pictures or notes because I knew I'd be seeing it again.
The Cor. 27 is a LOT more boat than the G 23. As to the Yanmar not pushing it - sounds like a prop problem is likely. I had one of those little one lung Yanmars (YSM8) and it had way more power than my 26' could use. It should EASILY push that boat to hull speed.
02-08-2012 02:15 AM
Pointy_End Well I thought I'd post an update since I've now looked at both the Grampian 23 and the Coronado 27.

Grampian 23 thoughts/notes:

- nice little boat, seemed quite sturdy
- new keel bolts and the 9.9hp 2-stroke worked well
- lots of accessories including an inflatable dingy and a full set of charts
- very large inside considering it's length, but I didn't like the fact that the head was flush up against the V-berth
- seemed very moist inside. I stuck my hand under the V-berth cushion and it came out soaking wet...yuck

Coronado 27 thoughts/notes:

- Seems very well kept, it's obvious the owner takes pride in it's upkeep
- sails seem to be in good shape, plus it has a roller furling
- VERY dry inside; cushions didn't seem moist in the slightest, and I think there might have been a few tablespoons of water in the bilge
- Iron keel was completely redone (epoxy, paint, keel bolts) about 3yrs ago
- bottom painted less than a year ago, zincs done
- the interior is huge for a boat this size, as is the head
- the deck is also huge! The owner says he routinely puts 3 or 4 lawn chairs on the deck when he has guests on board and I can believe it. The deck also seemed very solid; I weigh 225lbs and I couldn't feel any give
- all of the stanchions are solid (first time I've seen this)
- I really like the deck design; no more squeezing by the shrouds to get to the fore-deck
- diesel exhaust elbow replaced a few years ago (apparently these are expensive)
- new 3 blade prop
- 2x brand new marine batteries

Unfortunately the 8hp 2-stroke wouldn't start during our viewing, however I found out why he has it installed along with the inboard. The inboard is a 1985 Yanmar 8hp and the boat weighs 7000lbs. As a result the inboard only pushes it along at ~4kn, but with the IB+OB it does 6kn+. This is an issue as we have some very strong currents around here. Maybe not the most elegant solution, but it works.

My wife and I both get good vibes from this boat. It's the first one where I didn't bother taking pictures or notes because I knew I'd be seeing it again.
02-04-2012 09:30 PM
SloopJonB
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Originally Posted by Pointy_End View Post
Yes I think you're right, it's the other way around. My understanding is that the Coronado 27 is a Columbia 26 MkII hull lengthened by a foot and with a different deck, at least according to this website. If you look at the profiles on sailboatdata.com this does look very plausible.

Thank you, it is good to hear from a Coronado owner, especially with positive things to say.

I went to look at the Coronado 27 briefly this afternoon. I was very surprised by the massive side profile; the cabin takes up the entire beam. It must be huge inside.
Every Coronado built after they merged with Columbia is a Columbia hull with a different lid and sometimes a different transom - they put plugs in the mold to change the transoms. My Columbia 43 hull was also the Columbia 45 and the Coronado 45. The Col. 34II was also the Cor. 35. The Col. 41 was also the Col. 39 and the Cor. 41
02-04-2012 07:45 PM
Pointy_End
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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
The Columbia 26 Mk II is not a re-hash of the Coronado 27.

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Hope that helps.
Yes I think you're right, it's the other way around. My understanding is that the Coronado 27 is a Columbia 26 MkII hull lengthened by a foot and with a different deck, at least according to this website. If you look at the profiles on sailboatdata.com this does look very plausible.

Thank you, it is good to hear from a Coronado owner, especially with positive things to say.

I went to look at the Coronado 27 briefly this afternoon. I was very surprised by the massive side profile; the cabin takes up the entire beam. It must be huge inside.
02-02-2012 12:34 PM
Faster I think the Coronado rap for bad construction is mostly earned by the larger 35 CC.. and even they have their defenders.

JSB is right about the G26... quite the upwind performer when properly handled, too.

The Coronado you linked to looks in pretty nice shape, but the O/B does look like it's set up for regular use.. and it has an inboard??? hmmmmm. However if you can get the engine running it's a much better setup for rough conditions than any outboard on the transom on any boat.

Anyhow for $5K nowadays you can certainly get more than 23 feet so no need to 'settle' for the G23 or the Crown 23. And if you and your family really take to this, or some free time opens up you're set for some real cruising - and it would be a shame to live in this area and not take advantage..
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