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02-09-2012 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
Experienced sailors do unless they travel outside the Gulf Stream in the Hatterass area no m,atter what sized boat.
Well, not me. I cross the Gulf Stream as early as possible if I'm heading to the Bahamas or Caribbean. Heading to Florida I stay closer to Diamond Shoals. Regardless, you need to watch the weather forecasts and you have to know what you are looking at and what it means. Read that twice. *grin*

I've run around the shoals in both directions more times than I can count. The weather can be ugly but more often than not it is fine. The key is watching the forecasts.

Most of my deliveries are on boats bigger than yours which is a factor. I used to have a Catalina Capri 22 and spent some time cruising a Catalina 22 pop-top. You can do it, but you have to account for very slow passages and lots of boat motion. It isn't pretty. I wouldn't do it, but I would have when I was young.

Southbound on your boat stay the heck out of the Gulf Stream or you won't make any progress at all.
02-09-2012 09:41 AM
killarney_sailor If you have not already bought your anchors you might want to consider two anchors of different types rather than two Danforths - would help in different conditions since the Danforths are great where they are great but have problems with some bottom conditions.
02-09-2012 08:59 AM
Lostmt What about communication? VHF, SSB, Radar, Weather Fax, EPIR and life raft? Planning on being off shore for 10 days wouldn't you need these items.
02-08-2012 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by c_witch View Post

Anchoring will be via 2 danforths with 100 feet of line and 20 feet of chain on one and 200 feet of line and 20 feet of chain on the other. I have yet to decide about carrying a sea anchor.
You did not say the size of your danforths. I carry 2 danforths 8# each as a lunch hook or backup if needed. I would not depend on them holding in bad weather or a wind shift. My main is a 16.5# Bruce with 28' of 1/4 chain and 150' of rode. I will be adding another 22' of chain before we leave. When I drop my anchor I don't want to worry about dragging in the middle of the night when the wind shifts. I also carry a sea anchor.

I can't say about the east coast but here at my location we have what we call the big jetties. Chart 11317 There is no way I would take my 22' boat through them. I've done a number of trips through in a 41' Tartan and every time we had 10 to 12' rollers. Quite a ride in that boat.
02-08-2012 11:02 PM
sawingknots no rules against swimming is there?besides southern fla holds no inspiration for me
02-08-2012 10:51 PM
travlin-easy I sincerely believe this would be a dangerous trip for a number of reasons. And, I agree with Dave, stay inside at least until you reach Morehead City, NC. It's a nasty stretch of water, the inlets are among the most dangerous on the East Coast and that tiny outboard motor would never be able to handle the standing waves let along the incredibly strong currents.

Once you arrive in south Florida, that MSD and outside showers is going to be a problem. Most of south Florida is a No Discharge Zone. All sinks, galley and head, must be routed to a holding tank. Yes, you can take an outdoor shower, but the soapy water cannot be discharged overboard. There was a thread pertaining to this on the Sail Net not too long ago, but I'm not sure where it is. You could also Google the Florida Marine Patrol site and get the necessary information about discharging overboard.

As Dave said, "Safety First".

02-08-2012 09:30 PM
chef2sail I suggest you plot all the passable inlets from North Jersey to Ga first. Look at your distances and strat breaking it down into smaller trips. I would still avoid the Cchesapeak entrance to Morehead City on the outside.

Experienced sailors do unless they travel outside the Gulf Stream in the Hatterass area no m,atter what sized boat..

By breaking you journey into the components it may give you an idea of the bail out or stopping points. Thats the only agenda you need then.


Safety first
02-08-2012 08:58 PM
Big boat little boat :(


It seems as though many replies here have been from those with larger boats. While I do value what you have to say, there always seems to be a bias towards anyone planning to sail a route in a smaller boat.

I did grow up in the sunshine state and have spent many hours out in the atlantic and the gulf and am quite aware of the types of weather and how fast they can come about. As I mentioned in my opening of this thread, we will be spending at least a year doing shake down cruising off the coast of Nova Scotia with eventual cruises into and accross the Gulf of Maine, which can be nasty on it own accord ie weather and currents.

While our main water tankage is only 20 gallons we will also be carrying additional water in jugs and adding 10 gallons or so that way. This water is solely for drinking cooking etc as sea water is more then suitable for washing as well as the MSD flushing etc.

We will not be on any formal time schedule to arrive here or there at a particular time and so our head way concerns will be dictated by our stores on board. While we don't particularly enjoy a rough ride we are prepared to deal with it given the size of our boat.

I thought I had mentioned that we have a 2 burner propane stove on board. Anchoring will be via 2 danforths with 100 feet of line and 20 feet of chain on one and 200 feet of line and 20 feet of chain on the other. I have yet to decide about carrying a sea anchor.
Our outboard long shaft at 7 1/2 hp is more then ample to propel our boat even in heavy weather, although that will be tested in the coming shake down cruises.

02-08-2012 05:15 PM
Lostmt I agree with the other posters that not doing the ICW you will be missing a lot. But each to their own.

You didn't mention ground tackle. What are your plans here?

As a poor boy freeze dried foods are to costly for us. We do have a number of different package food that can be purchased from any grocery store. Can food can be easily stored in lockers under settee or quarter berth. I know because I have to live on Ensure and I have 60 day supply on board.

I agree that 2.5 gallon MSD is a little small for 2. You might get 3 day as long as you don't pee in it. Don't use the stored water. Use a jug and pour only what is needed to clean. We lay paper in the bowl then use a very small amount of water to flush. No mess to try to clean. RV paper works best.

You might be selling yourself short on the gas. We have a 6 and 3 marine gas tanks and carry 2 five gallon cans. We figure 15 miles per gallon and motor sail as much as possible in the ditch.

If I missed it what are you cooking with? We have a Magma and a 2 burner Coleman.

We are leaving the end of March in a Starwind 22. The two of us and one Yorkie dog. We will do the ditch because the Gulf is no place for small boats much less the 1000+ oil rigs you have to fight. Oh did I forget the ship traffic. I've done part of the La. and Texas ICW and have found it very interesting.

We are in know hurry to get any place. Plan on enjoying the US coast. So much to see. We don't need to go to some other country to enjoy sailing. Right now the water here is crystal clear and a beautiful green.
02-08-2012 04:40 PM
chef2sail 7 miles off shore through Diamond Shoals in a 22ft boat....not too safe an idea. As poreviously said inlets can be few and far between, 22 foot boat with a weak auxillary motor coming through a tidal inlet with opposing wind. Difficult at best.

This trip is nothing to sneeze at as many of us are coastal cruisers who build up to a trip down the east usually larger boats..and some of us actually travel a bit of the distance inside in the ICW for a reason...not because we like going through bridges or like the shallow grounding possibilites.

Plan this trip more thoroughly. Just a suggestion and not meant to be negative or deter your progress.

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