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02-12-2012 12:21 PM
rugosa James - boy, did you step in it? Grow some grapefruits and apologize
Wilson - after all your hard work, you've both arrived. Congratulations (really!).
Thought shift - what about chartering some R E A L N I C E Y A C H T S over time to figure out what you both really want/need in the way of getting on the water. It's like renting a big house on the beach - pay for the week, go home with some great experience & memories, no upkeep, insurance, depreciation to deal with, and you can go to so many more R E A L L Y C O O L P L A C E S
02-12-2012 11:16 AM
DRFerron The OP seems to have gotten beyond this thread and has started anew here.

And, I think as I said on the other thread, the wife wants what she wants. Perhaps the OP could be helped with his new request for ideas on a small sailboat.
02-12-2012 10:55 AM
ChristinaM When you say your wife has a love of speed, do you mean like an adrenaline junkie or that a sailboat just seems so slow that she'll find it dull? My time on powerboats always left me most bored while traveling than on sailboats. Maybe you need to speed to get to the destinations you want to get to but I'd think about other ways to make the traveling/sailing more interesting if it's likely to bore her. Either getting her interested in sailing (maybe some club races) or choosing a catamaran that can go faster (they don't all) while making it easier to sunbathe, cook, whatever could work. Maybe consider what kind of vacations she likes and how close you can get to her ideal on a boat. There's a lot of variety possible in sailing, you don't just have to slowly cruise to a bay, drop anchor, and swim for the afternoon. That's just what a lot of people enjoy.

If she has a real deep love of speed, buy a fast dinghy to learn, do some keelboat charters & courses, then buy something faster. Something like a J-boat, performance catamaran, or a trimaran. I fall in this category and while we are buying a 38' cruising sailboat, we're keeping our Hobie Tiger (2-man 18' cat): Hobie Tiger - YouTube There's speed then there's perception of speed. Took us 2 years on a slower small cat to feel we could handle the Tiger.

If you do charter a cat, remember why they have those ones in charter: they sleep 4 couples and are easy to sail.
02-12-2012 02:12 AM
MarkSF
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Originally Posted by rwilson37643 View Post
I love to sail. I have loved sailing for almost twenty years. I have lived to this point with an extremely limited budget, the most expensive boat I've ever owned is a 21 ft Catalina bought used for 10k. I have finally finished law school and got a real job at the age of forty, and can afford the yacht I've always dreamed of. I've long dreamed of sailing with my wife and kids from Miami to Bimini in my very own 40-50 ft yacht, but now that I can afford it, the combination of limited time to play and my wife's love of speed is leading me to consider a power yacht. The decision of power vs sail is one my wife and I have never seen eye to eye on, but cost has allowed me to win in the past. I am loosing now, and I've got to admit she has a point. we will be buying a new boat late this summer in the 300-600k price range and plan to use it for weekend trips and 2 2 week long trips per year. how do I convince my wife to stick to sailing?
A few random thoughts in no particular order :

From a 21ft Catalina to a $600,000 power yacht is quite a step. Have you thought about a more intermediate step (or several?)

Has your wife ever sailed on a nice classic 40-50 ft sailing cruiser? Like a Bristol 45.5? One that is built for comfort? Maybe this is why she wants a power yacht, she doesn't know any better. Yet.

If your income is $300K you should ask yourself if you are happy spending half of it on a toy to use for a few weeks and weekends a year that you don't even like very much. That is what a $600K new boat will cost you per year when depreciation and maintenance are taken into account.

With so many nice used boats on the market is doesn't make much sense to me to buy new. Certainly not, if (and I strongly suspect this will happen) you end up selling it in a few years. Also not when you can get something like this for this much (depreciation : very little) :

1980 Bristol 45.5 Center Cockpit Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

You're going to be getting a lot of big bills over the years, and a lot of grief. Maybe some scary moments. In times like those it's love that'll keep you fixing it and sailing it.

If the wife still won't come around, get a new one.
02-12-2012 01:06 AM
PaulinVictoria Regardless of the warm welcome (lol), good luck with whatever you end up getting. I will never be in the position to drop half a mill on a toy, can barely afford my $4k one. Jealous? Yes, of course. Have fun, and if you're up this way, invite someone in a little orange sailboat over for a margarita
P.S. the missus might well enjoy a multihull, and I'd rather live with that than a big ole stinkpot.
02-12-2012 12:55 AM
CalebD
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Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
Another troll post. The clues indicating that this poster is a troll:

1. Catalina does not make a 21 foot boat.

2. Law school graduates who were previously impoverished do not start out with a salary sufficient to buy a 300-600K "yacht". In addition, few true sailors refer to "yachts" - a term usually used by non-sailors.

3. Most law school graduates are capable of spelling "losing", hypenating compound phrases "eye-to-eye", and using proper punctuation "[w]e"...., etc. This is another post that appears to be written as a text message by a pimply 13 year old.

O.K., clown, I called your bluff. Prove you are not a troll. Where did you pass the bar? Which firm are you with? What is your real name?

Since I am unable to 'flag' this post as objectionable I have simply quoted it. The exuberance of this 'troll patrol' youngster well exceeds the bounds of his radar. Thanks to Jeff_H for trying to clean up the mess he made.

Sweet Baby Cheeses!
02-11-2012 02:07 PM
jrd22 To the OP. Sounds like you have very limited time to spend on the boat so if you have specific destinations in mind that are going to be out of reach time wise on a sailboat either a power boat or maybe a catamaran might be your best option. Maybe you could go for both? 250k for a power boat and 250K for sail?
02-11-2012 12:30 PM
SlowButSteady
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No he shouldn't. But jameswilson29 should. For at least a week or so.
Agreed. His behavior in this thread has been an embarrassment to many. His apparent refusal to apologize for his rude posts only deepens this feeling, IMHO.

James, this isn't the politics and religion forum. I can think of no other instance where a new member to this board was "jumped on" so severely for such an innocent post. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Being a d1ck to a noob (or anyone, for that matter) isn't cool, it's just being a d1ck.

I'm no mod here, nor to I want to be. So I can't force you to do the right thing (or at least take a vacation from SN). However, at the very least you could post a brief apology to rwilson, and then lie low for a bit. That is, if you're man enough.
02-10-2012 10:53 PM
bljones
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Originally Posted by momclarissa View Post
And you ask why people come on here and leave? Someone here flamed me the first post I ever made, and if it hadn't been for my husband doing a lot of talking and showing me informative posts - basically convincing me this forum really is worth hanging around - I'd have been long gone too. Why don't you get guys get a life and stop attacking others just because they don't look, sound, think, act like you?
I SAID "Sorry." Gosh!
02-10-2012 10:49 PM
night0wl Yet another thread where a someone new is attacked by other relatively new(ish) set of members. Mods please *PLEASE* do something about the tone that Sailnet has been taking as of late. Its becoming like S-A...we dont need that here.
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