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05-20-2012 01:44 PM
safira
Re: Georgia Livaboards Org

It is a bummer that GA has come to enforceing the outdated statue ... but doo doo does happen ... so it is time to be creative, on the south end of the state (FL/GA) we just anchor in the florida side of the river ... try doing the same there scince the savannah river is the dividing line ... then you have a good court case of jurisdiction if they get to pushy ... just a thought
04-01-2012 04:23 PM
safira
Re: Georgia Livaboards Org

Someone asked how this law became ... after chatting with the DNR boys at brunswick here is the answer to that question ... Back when the freeway was being put in ... i would assume the 60's or 70's they sold the barges to a lot of different people that were used to transport equip and parts ... so hence a lot of people decided to put shacks and such on the barges and take up residence ... the pollution on the river areas, I think the Satilla was mentioned, got so bad that this is how the government took action.....
they not only targeted the people on the barges but also all the stilt houses along the rivers to deal with the dumping of untreated sewage in the waterways .... or at least this is what I found out so far.
As to the public opinion poll ... it does not matter what you feel ... this is a bad law and the state looses money all the time because of it, but you have to realize that you are not dealing with people that are very intelligent with the boaters needs ... you can not fight city hall is a old saying that comes to mind, everyone knows it very well, but did you ever read the next passage after that, " but you can sure doo doo on the the doorstep" ...
target the city and state officials and you may get something changed .... the bit with you need to apply or a permit now that is just plain stupid, and we thought Florida was getting bad, some of it is rubbing off on Georgia now .... time to find a place with less B.S. .... wish me luck, I will probaly need it!!!!!
04-01-2012 01:33 PM
byrdric16
Re: Georgia Livaboards Org

Good News!
The State of Georgia has just modified the Live-Aboard rule so that it will be legal and practical to say on board your boat in Georgia for more than 30 days. A rule change will allow boaters to fill out a simple form to receive permission to be onboard for up to one year in Georgia so long as the boat is docked at a marina that meets the state’s minimum requirements for pump-out facilities. Isle of Hope Marina and just a couple of other marinas currently meet those standards, but I expect that other marinas will upgrade their facilities to take advantage of this rule change. I am heading a committee that will be working with the DNR to finalize the application form in the next few weeks. The rule change will be effective January 1, 2012 . i just found this on the web. it doese not mean that local DNR will stop hurassing. i am interested in attending your meeting this month, if you could email me the time and place. my email address is byrdric16@comcast.net i myself am moving back to the water aand plan to spend 4-6 months in Ga. there are other states trying to enforce such laws but in some cases the federal and corp of engineers have overruled. look forward to attending your meeting
02-14-2012 07:33 PM
miatapaul
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Originally Posted by dailysailor View Post
The DNR has passed a new law on liveaboards in Georgia.

As of January 1, 2012, if you wish to stay aboard your boat in a marina with sewage pump out facilities for longer than 30 days, you may apply for an extension beyond the 30 days. The notice doesn’t seem to have any limit on the length of time you can stay aboard, just the regulations relating to the boat and also to the marina – you have to have a mechanism to secure your holding tank, the marina has to have adequate pump-out facilities, etc.

You can read more information at Georgia Liveaboards - Find the best marina to dock your boat
To me it sounds like there is way to much discretion for the commissioner. He does not have to give any permits out so I would consider this a possible improvement, but not a victory. Here are the offending portions:

Quote:
8. The applicant states the reasons for requesting the extension and the period of time for which the extension is requested.
9. The Commissioner, in his or her sole discretion, may grant or deny any request for an extension of time to occupy a live-aboard.
10. The Commissioner, in his or her sole discretion, may consider requests for extensions that do not meet this Rule if the applicant shows extraordinary and extenuating circumstances.
So he does not have to accept the "reasons" he also does not have to give a permit for any reason he desires. Seems like the commissioner has a lot of power over someones life, if they choose to live aboard in GA. Seems to be open to a lot of abuse. Glad I live in New York!
12-05-2011 05:25 PM
wingNwing There's some pretty places in GA. This change is long overdue! We'd heard rumors about this while we were passing through in Nov. - thanx for posting the link.
12-05-2011 03:53 PM
dailysailor
New laws

The DNR has passed a new law on liveaboards in Georgia.

As of January 1, 2012, if you wish to stay aboard your boat in a marina with sewage pump out facilities for longer than 30 days, you may apply for an extension beyond the 30 days. The notice doesn’t seem to have any limit on the length of time you can stay aboard, just the regulations relating to the boat and also to the marina – you have to have a mechanism to secure your holding tank, the marina has to have adequate pump-out facilities, etc.

You can read more information at Georgia Liveaboards - Find the best marina to dock your boat
05-07-2008 12:36 PM
ericmower This is not a local municipality but a state law applicable to lakes, rivers and the coast. The only people forced out of their boats are in Chatham County. This is strange. I think the law was put in place to deal with homeless on rafts living on the Altamaha River. Now the DNR wants to run a few boat owners out of a bend in one tidal creek in Savannah area? Why are no evictions occurring in Brunswick where the Coastal Resources DNR office is located? I think someone must have some connections to the department and was tired of seeing some of the boats that sit at anchor there year round. It is incredible to interpret the law to make it impossible for marina owners to allow liveaboards. How can someone paying for a slip and pumping out without dumping in the rivers be a hazard to the marshlands of coastal georgia?
04-21-2008 11:16 PM
camaraderie This should work:
Living Aboard Forums: Georgia Liveaboards Org

Georgia Liveaboards Organization

David...one thing I noted on the first link is the misconception that states cannot regulate anchoring by live-aboards and citing the Marco Island suit as an example. The feds have ceded to the states the right to regulate inland and coastal waters on such matters. The Marco Island decision was rendered because the STATE law was changed to allow the LOCAL Marco Ordinance to be defeated in court. There was nothing federal about the case...and it may be overturned in the future if the state law is changed again. The key in Florida based on FLORIDA's law is to claim that you are NOT a live-aboard..but rather a full time cruiser.
Vessels in navigation cannot be hindered in their traditional anchoring rights UNDERWAY.
The GA situation seems quite different since it seems to apply to both docked and at anchor boats.
04-21-2008 11:11 PM
CaptDavid
Update

Thanks to all for getting into this discussion no matter what side you are on.

Re: Turner Creek.. Yes it is "navigable waters" up to the bridge at Johnny Mercer Blvd. However, in my research, fed regs only trump state in the case of anchoring (eg: Marcus Island Desc) questions.

Re: Further discussion of circumstances: There is a thread posted at
livingaboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000050#000017
giving the facts as we know them. Sorry to point to another forum, but as the galiveaboards.org board is now up, we are trying to get the discussions going there and don't have time to post to every question on all the liveaboard boards. (Sorry the above is not a clickable link, but we don't have enough posts)

However, we will continue to monitor these threads as we started them, and thank you for your interest.

Regards
David
04-21-2008 10:37 PM
CaptainForce Capt David, Please give us a clear understanding of the manner in which the "six were forced to abandon their homes" or the others were "busted" . It would be important when sharing your concerns that you indentify if these were responses to the legal notice; a verbal advice of authority; a served order; a citation; an armed escort and what type and level of authority was involved. I too am very concerned about what is happening in Georgia and I am not making light of your ordeal, but please give us an accurate report beyond "forced" and "busted". Thanks, 'Aythya crew
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