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03-14-2015 07:33 PM
RandyonR3
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

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Originally Posted by ssscruz View Post
Hey Randy,

Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been on the road, and am just now seeing your post. I measured the current tubing at 8mm. The hose guys tell me that 5/16ths swages will work fine, being just a few thousanths different. So I have put those on my new hoses, and will install the next time I am on the boat...which may be another week and a half. I live in Santa Cruz, and still have the boat at RYC for a couple of months until my slip in SC is vacant. We will see how that goes.

Checked out your site. Looks like you have a nice spot in the Delta.

Where are you headed once you leave there?

Scott
No plans this time out, except we'll be headed south, and the wife says Half Moon Bay for Clam Chowder...
03-12-2015 12:50 AM
ssscruz
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

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Originally Posted by RandyonR3 View Post
The "gas" system was something we replaced shortly after we bought the boat and I had all the lines made up by "Whale Point" marine there on San Pablo Blvd, But then again, I swapped out everything including the stove for a newer model.
Congrats on the new purchase, was wondering who bought the boat.......

We're up in the delta until the first part of April , then the bay for a few weeks until we start heading south.. If I can Be of any help, give me a shout....

You might check out our site.... SailingOnR3.com
Hey Randy,

Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been on the road, and am just now seeing your post. I measured the current tubing at 8mm. The hose guys tell me that 5/16ths swages will work fine, being just a few thousanths different. So I have put those on my new hoses, and will install the next time I am on the boat...which may be another week and a half. I live in Santa Cruz, and still have the boat at RYC for a couple of months until my slip in SC is vacant. We will see how that goes.

Checked out your site. Looks like you have a nice spot in the Delta.

Where are you headed once you leave there?

Scott
03-07-2015 10:32 AM
RandyonR3
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

The "gas" system was something we replaced shortly after we bought the boat and I had all the lines made up by "Whale Point" marine there on San Pablo Blvd, But then again, I swapped out everything including the stove for a newer model.
Congrats on the new purchase, was wondering who bought the boat.......

We're up in the delta until the first part of April , then the bay for a few weeks until we start heading south.. If I can Be of any help, give me a shout....

You might check out our site.... SailingOnR3.com
03-04-2015 10:48 AM
ssscruz
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

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Originally Posted by svHyLyte View Post
Coyote was owned by a member of our Club and was very well maintained so you've managed to take over a good boat. The tubing connections on the boat are/were the Beneteau standard and quite adequate, your surveyor's opinion not withstanding. Now you've got a fix to manage that will, hopefully go well enough although, if you are not skilled with such work, it would be wise to have a qualified gas technician make the change/repair.

Beyond the foregoing, something we, and several other owners of the boat we know, do as a matter of practice is that, once done cooking we shut off the solenoid control while a burner is still lit to burn off the gas in the line and then manually close the valve on the Propane tank. In that manner, unless needed for cooking, there is no gas in the system and no possibility of leakage.

FWIW...
Thanks. I feel quite fortunate to have this boat. Steve, the PO has been hugely helpful in spending time going over systems etc. I actually was not ready to buy a boat quite yet. But this one was hard to pass up.

I will go talk with an LPG specialist to see what fittings they recommend. I think if I get a qualified opinion (and installation) with clamps, then maybe I should go that way. Steve mentioned that he thought those were more reliable anyway.

On shutting off after cooking...yes this is how I have always done it on other boats. I had an RV that this did not really work on (since it took a long time to re-charge the line with gas). But most boats seem to work well this way...
03-04-2015 08:39 AM
svHyLyte
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

Coyote was owned by a member of our Club and was very well maintained so you've managed to take over a good boat. The tubing connections on the boat are/were the Beneteau standard and quite adequate, your surveyor's opinion not withstanding. Now you've got a fix to manage that will, hopefully go well enough although, if you are not skilled with such work, it would be wise to have a qualified gas technician make the change/repair.

Beyond the foregoing, something we, and several other owners of the boat we know, do as a matter of practice is that, once done cooking we shut off the solenoid control while a burner is still lit to burn off the gas in the line and then manually close the valve on the Propane tank. In that manner, unless needed for cooking, there is no gas in the system and no possibility of leakage.

FWIW...
03-03-2015 08:55 PM
Letrappes
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

No fitting. The rubber hose is clamped to the copper tubing.
03-03-2015 08:50 PM
Heinous
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

Nice boat!
03-03-2015 08:20 PM
ssscruz
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

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Originally Posted by Letrappes View Post
I'm on my 1983 First 42 right now so I tried to measure it. Mine goes through the bulkhead behind the stove into the hanging locker before the hard tubing begins. It seems to measure just over .29" OD but it's rather hard to get in there with calipers. Just remember if you replace it that the stove is meant to swing so you need something flexible where it connects in the cabin.
Thanks. Sounds like the same stuff. Does it have a compression fitting for the hose connection to the metal pipe? Just hoping that is some sort of a standard fitting (in the US).
03-03-2015 07:12 PM
Letrappes
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

I'm on my 1983 First 42 right now so I tried to measure it. Mine goes through the bulkhead behind the stove into the hanging locker before the hard tubing begins. It seems to measure just over .29" OD but it's rather hard to get in there with calipers. Just remember if you replace it that the stove is meant to swing so you need something flexible where it connects in the cabin.
03-03-2015 06:59 PM
ssscruz
Re: Beneteau First 42 Manual

I have recently purchased a 1985 First 42 “Coyote" in the SF Bay area. Some of you know the PO, vsteveh, who is a great guy, and kept her in nearly immaculate condition. He has also been of immense help in educating me on the details of the boat’s systems.

The (notably persnickety) surveyor was really impressed with the condition of the boat. But there are a number of small items that he recommended I look at. One of these was to replace the hoses at the tank and stove ends of the LPG system. Those hoses were clamped to a copper (or brass?) tubing that goes from the locker to the stove compartment. The surveyor didn’t like the temporary nature of the clamps (so the insurer wants them changed…)

I removed the hoses and took them to an industrial hose shop for replacement, they assumed the copper/brass tubing was 1/4” and made me up some hoses with 1/4” compression fittings. When I got back to the boat, the compression fittings did not work on the pipe as they were just a bit too small. I didn’t have proper calipers with me at the time, but measured the OD of the pipe at 9/32” or just over 7mm. I am 100 miles from the boat, so when I go back I will take calipers.

Does anyone have any experience with what appears to be "std equipment" on the First 42: meaning a copper-like tube (9/32” OD) from the locker to a valve (in the quarter berth locker) terminating in the stove compartment. The Eno stove has the same stubbed pipe end with no fitting. Is there a magic part? Is the best thing to replace the whole thing with a continuous rubber hose? etc...

Thanks for any insights...
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