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07-18-2013 08:43 AM
smurphny
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

A common problem with the mast step area on all the Albergs is collapsing of the balsa core underneath the aluminum base. I removed the balsa after noticing a deflection and replaced it with solid layers of roving and mat. The header below that actually carries the load needs to be inspected for rot. The wiring arrangement with that aluminum standpipe and plug is terrible engineering. Not only does it allow for water to eventually get into the header and create a rot condition, it also makes it impossible to get to the plug when it fails to make contact unless you unstep the mast. The wiring below is also completely buried and inaccessible. I re-routed all the mast wiring: VHF, spreader lights, masthead and anchor lights out the base of the mast and across the deck to a 90 degree LB on the dorade box in a piece of flexible conduit. Now all the wiring is accessible and connected to a surface mounted strip on the head bulkhead where it can be easily disconnected and pulled out when the mast needs to be lowered.

If you are seriously considering offshore trips, having long distance engine capability is not a convenience, it's a safety issue. You'll need to be able to get out of the way of storms, take advantage of weather windows and make hull speed regardless of wind. These A35s are seaworthy but no 35' boat is seaworthy if caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Safe decisions about when to set sail and when to stay put is what it's all about.
07-17-2013 01:13 PM
dokimball12
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

No, I'm not removing the bulkheads, I'm reinforcing them. You have a 13 inch step that hardly has any support except for plywood and hull tabbing. I'm laying down strips of marine along the hull (10 x 3") and beefing up both hull and mast support. Turning one bulkhead into 2 and utilizing the space in between the two for my diving gear. 8 inch tanks above the head with shelves along with fins ect.. and across hanging my suit. It will have more beef than the original and will allow more ventilation. Where the sink was will be more storage. The bulk head that was in the dining area will stay and be re-tabbed.
I see advantages and disadvantages to both inside and outside chain plates.Like you said " I haven't seen much corrosion". That worries me. Inside with glass instead of wood might be the way I will go. I'll have access and no rot worry.
Still investigating all of my options. That is the advantage of starting from scratch. I can incorporate all of the best options - cost feasible of course.
The steering wheel solution is what I really need to address. My port side will still have a small berth and tucked under will be my batteries. No room for gas.
Also I am a poor person, can't afford gas so I'll rely on the wind and if it storms I'll rely on my boat. And if I have neither I'll find something to pass the time. I'm in no hurry.
07-17-2013 11:32 AM
smurphny
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

I changed my chainplates to outboard. Used 2" x 1/4" 304 s.s. They have worked out very well. IMO, the 304 is as good as 316 for this. I have seen very little corrosion. Shrouds did not even need adjustments to length. The glass buildup along the bulkheads is plenty thick enough so you don't need to do any additional thickening. I'd be careful removing the bulkheads that create the hull structure where the chainplates are. The glass is 1/2 " thick on the topsides of the hull but I wouldn't want to have chainplates attached with no structural hull form right next to it. I welded up plates that slip tightly over each chainplate that wrap around the top and side of the toerail so that only about 1-1/2" projects up above them. These stop any constant small movement that could weaken the plates over time and also serve to shield the plates from rubbing and catching on anything.

Though the hull is very thick by modern standards, the tabbing of bunks, bulkheads, etc. was designed into the hull's structure, removing that structure may be a mistake.

One thing you may want to consider is fuel capacity. I am going to do away with my port side berth and install a second 35 gal permanent fuel tank there. The 24 gal. standard tank in these is not adequate for extended trips. With 70 gallons aboard (w/2- 5 gal containers), the range increases to around 600 miles. Carrying a lot of portable fuel containers is a PITA.
07-17-2013 08:25 AM
dokimball12
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

Sorry for not a faster reply, but I just found out about a lot of the gory details this weekend. I'm doing a total redesign. Did a partial rip out over the weekend. Got rid of the dinette area and replaced it with a bench for my battery bank which gives me a foot or 2 of more space. Keeping the double bunk, cabinets and galley area. Got rid of the bathroom sink, (who needs 2 when one is 5 feet away?) Turning the toilet from stern to bow to port to starboard. (How do you go in these...?) No doors. Replacing and reinforcing bulkheads. Nice design. A double support under the mast at 10 inches wide with space in between for my tanks and gear. Laying 3 by 10 upon the hull and support to the top. No walls just screen, or lattice to help ventilation. Very solid and practical Leaving the mid bulkhead alone except shortening the port side so I don't have to turn sideways. Gutting the the V berth and redesigning for pantry/tool storage. All being done while being conscience of balance and weight.
Moving the gauges. Replacing and maybe moving the chain plates. Adding ventilation and solar.
Foundation is good along with all of the mechanics, but the interior and exterior are a mess which is just the way I like it.
Having a blast. Just like this old house.
Where I need advice:
Chain Plates . It has been suggested to move them outside and lay up on the hull?
Steering Wheel- Takes up too much space and want to bring it back to tiller, any help?
Shower - Forward hatch for head room and access to gravity, solar, and rain shower. I will have to curtain and water proof the area. Draining to bilge should work?
I appreciate any input or suggestions.
This is no longer your parents boat from the sixties that sleeps six. This is going to be a Blue water cruising boat that never sleeps.

"You know what the first rule of flying is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home."
07-12-2013 03:18 PM
smurphny
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

Quote:
Originally Posted by dokimball12 View Post
Hey I Just Bought the 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop today without a survey.
I bought it with Jim Bullack's help, a real straight up guy. Call this guy if you need a boat. Between me, Jim and the owner, I knew exactly what I was buying. A real honest transaction.
No survey, what are you stupid. Yea, Yea, Yea, it's gonna cost me a fortune to repair. I should have had a survey. It's a hole in the water to pour my money. It's gonna be like living in a dark closet with a wet dog tearing up 100 dollar bills. But you know what, it is going to be great. Blah Blah Blah.
Anyway, a lot of upgrades have been done since the last post
I don't think anyone fixed the starbord soft spot in the deck because there is still one there. The bulkheads still need tending to. It needs bottom paint. Deck could use some sprucing up and a coat of sauce. But, I'll probaly leave it looking it's good old rustic sweet self so when I go cruising the pirates won't want it and the theives will figure I'm too poor to have anything worth taking.
She's strong. She's sweet, And she told me she's gonna take good care of me. And that is what counts.
No, I'm not going to tell you how much I paid.
Also a note, the members on this site are very informative. You all were the ones that got me to buy this boat and you were the ones that gave me the information and confidence to do so without a survey - I Thank you
Welcome. When you want to hear the gory details of the refit, just give a shout:-)
07-12-2013 12:49 AM
dokimball12
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

Hey I Just Bought the 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop today without a survey.
I bought it with Jim Bullack's help, a real straight up guy. Call this guy if you need a boat. Between me, Jim and the owner, I knew exactly what I was buying. A real honest transaction.
No survey, what are you stupid. Yea, Yea, Yea, it's gonna cost me a fortune to repair. I should have had a survey. It's a hole in the water to pour my money. It's gonna be like living in a dark closet with a wet dog tearing up 100 dollar bills. But you know what, it is going to be great. Blah Blah Blah.
Anyway, a lot of upgrades have been done since the last post
I don't think anyone fixed the starbord soft spot in the deck because there is still one there. The bulkheads still need tending to. It needs bottom paint. Deck could use some sprucing up and a coat of sauce. But, I'll probaly leave it looking it's good old rustic sweet self so when I go cruising the pirates won't want it and the theives will figure I'm too poor to have anything worth taking.
She's strong. She's sweet, And she told me she's gonna take good care of me. And that is what counts.
No, I'm not going to tell you how much I paid.
Also a note, the members on this site are very informative. You all were the ones that got me to buy this boat and you were the ones that gave me the information and confidence to do so without a survey - I Thank you
11-26-2012 05:39 PM
L124C
Re: Just Bought a 1967 35 Alberg Ericson Sloop

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjVied View Post
Capt Mike I too just purchased a 1967 Pearson- Alberg 35. To give some comparison. Mine had the hull redone (new glass, coating, etc) in 1996. Then over 4 years, the deck was replaced, interior completely redone, refirg (large one) added, and finely, a new westeblake 4 cy diesel. In 1998, while the deck was being record, the mast was replaced with a Hood in-mast furling system. Approximately $55,000 was invested by a wealthy owner.
I'm looking at a 1965 Alberg 35 Yawl with a tiller. The boat seems sound, though it does have some deck rot/delamination. The guy owned it for over a decade, and has done almost nothing to it. All cushions need replacement as do the toe rails (some major cracks), and interior woods needs refinishing. I think I would paint the Formica wood grain on the bulkheads white. Beside the tachometer, the only working instrument is the depth sounder, which he claims works, though, the "graph feature" no longer functions. Looks like this thing should be in the Smithsonian! (picture attached). On the positive side, the sails are good and he replaced the A4 with a Beta Marine 20 HP Diesel which has about 25 hours on it. If I go forward, I WILL get a survey BTW!
So, it seems that right now, this boat is a flotation device for a nice engine! Though, it could be more with a fair amount of cosmetic work and some deck work.
Questions:
Why was your hull "re glassed". Are we talking gel coat or something structural?
How has the boat worked out for you?
The mast step compression beam and supports seem sound, but show water stains. (Pictures attached). The cabin top doesn't sag under the mast, but the bulkhead door seems warped (closes, but doesn't latch). Is anyone aware of issues with this system on these boats? Hard to tell what lurks on a 45 year old boat with a glass coach top liner!
03-01-2012 05:20 AM
souljour2000 Some good points Smurph...
12-21-2011 10:28 AM
smurphny SF, you are right on the money (pun intended). It is easy to sink 30k into an old boat. What you get is all new stuff you can depend on: electronics, rigging, etc. that you would have on a new boat (which would lose 30% of its value immediately). So, from my perspective, spending 40k on a good hull to renovate is a good deal if you get satisfaction from the process and go in knowing what you're getting into. If you own her for 10 years and sell for 20k, that's a depreciation of 2k/year, not a bad deal- no debt, no ridiculously expensive hull insurance, no fear that comes with a big investment. Buying a used boat that someone has already fixed up is a good idea as well but everything will be 10+ years old and much in need of renewal already. When I decide to sell my Alberg, the new owner will get a boat that has had the major work done and will get the labor cost essentially for free but that's ok, it's a hobby.
12-21-2011 09:43 AM
sailingfool
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derbygal View Post
Wow.

..... Not every buyer who purchases a boat cheap gets a raw deal, and I say this from personal experience. Penguin and I purchased our 33’ Hunter 18 months ago for 10K, and we’ve not had any major repair issues at all. Unlike Capt13 who bought the Alberg sight unseen and without a survey, we were careful buyers who thoroughly checked our boat out ourselves first, and then had a survey done on her. The survey came back that she was worth much, much more than we were paying, and we really DID get an excellent boat for our money. My point is, even if we had not checked her ourselves or had the survey and we had just plunked the money down like Capt13, we still would have come out with a sweet deal and one we’ve not regretted for a moment.
Sure, the Alberg needs work. Our boat needed some work. You are very right in that assumption. I don't believe any of us buy an older and/or used boat expecting it to be perfect (and those that do are truly not thinking clearly). You are wrong however in being so negative and assuming that all cheap boats are artificial coral reefs in the making. When you consider the economy for the past several years, and understand that many have had to sell off their boats for whatever they can get, there are some really good boat deals out there to be jumped on. It is my personal belief that whether you spend 10K on a used boat or 110K on a used boat, you should still expect to throw about 30K into her to make her “yours,” whether that means through major work or minor work depends on your plans for the boat.
I don’t know what repairs the Alberg needs, but I know that the things our boat needed were to be expected. Basically our hull was sound, our engine in great shape, and the interior was excellent for such an old boat. As a sampling of work we’ve done on ours: we’ve purchased all new electronics, new rigging, will have new sails next year (her old sails are still intact and useable, but we want new sails), Penguin rebuilt the water system, replaced the septic system, and will redo all of the electric in the future (yes, he has the skills to do this himself so we save a lot). Last winter she was hauled out and Penguin replaced all the through hulls, the cutlass bearing, and the shaft seal, moved our transponder to a better position, and replaced the vents. Aesthetically & comfort-wise, I’ve added a bimini, replaced all interior cushions & covers, curtains, lighting, head walls and fixtures, and am currently in the process of redoing my galley. Next year we will replace the interior flooring (because we want to, not because we have to) and we will have Tek Dek or Sea Dek (I forget which) installed topside (again, this is preference, not necessity). In fact, most of the work we’ve done has been preference, not necessity, and nothing had to be done immediately.
Still, when I look at the spreadsheet of our spending, what we plan to spend, and add in the 10K purchase cost, it’s still cheaper than buying a new or even a newer (costlier) boat. Ours is also a planned live aboard & coastal cruising yacht so we’ve done a lot of extra preferential work you aren’t even considering, and even factoring these things in, your math still does not add up.
Oh, and just because some of us “newbie” people don’t post a lot, it doesn’t mean that we’ve left, or that we messed up & we’re afraid to admit it. This is my 6th post. I didn’t leave, I didn’t mess up, and I’m quite proud to talk about our boat, I just don’t post much on forums. I think this is the first time it’s been mentioned that we acquired Wind Dragon so cheaply, but I’m happy to say that we’re not the fools some bitter forum poster would judge us to be just because we were smart enough to know a good deal when we saw it. Had we passed up Wind Dragon just because of the idea that a cheap boat is not a good boat, THEN we would have “messed up badly” as you said. We may have even gone your route and spent more than we could afford on an over-priced boat, and then been stuck with other issues and repairs we couldn’t afford because of having spent more for the boat initially. Then where would we be? Can you see where I’m going with this? Either way, someone would have bought Wind Dragon cheaply, and they still would have gotten an AWESOME deal. Knowing the difference between spending your money wisely and just spending your money, is what has gotten this country in trouble. I guess I can see what side of the coin flip you landed on.
Wow to you!

Your comments reflect some appreciation about the financial reality of buying a cheap boat. Your statement "you should still expect to throw about 30K into her..." is good insight, but how it differs from the comment which provoked my post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minga View Post
Oh man, Alberg 35 footer for a 10k ! Even if I spend additional 10k, it would be worth it.
Great boat
If he had said $30K I would not have commented.

But the truth of the matter is that 30k doesn't get you real far in a boatyard or at Defender Industries. You have made a lot of progress in your boat, could you share what your out-of-pocket has been (just skip all the hours and hours of work)? Allowing for some surprises (a new engine for $12,000 in a 30 year old boat isn't really a surprise...) seems likely you may well end up within a few years having spent $50-60,000 on your baby. Which is OK, if you can afford it there's a lot of pleasure in having a boat just the way you want it and the pride of ownership coming from something you have made just right. Been there, done that, go for it. If you get the boat to perfection and then keep it forever, all is good.

But if you decide to move up or circumstances change, the buyer who pays you $24,000 for your thoroughly upgraded and renovated boat is the only buyer who gets the AWESOME deal.
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