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12-17-2014 09:49 PM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

What do we call the Gulf line of boats? Pilothouse? I had been interested in the Gulf 29 at one time until I realized that as soon as one steps and sits in the "pilothouse" one is too low to see out which seems to defeat the purpose of the pilothouse. True you can set up a seat and pilot from inside but anyone in a settee is well below window level a none starter for me should I ever get serious about moving to a pilothouse.
03-07-2012 04:10 AM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

According to the DSV, the yardstick of the Elvstroem Coronet 38 is 101, which is slower than any of the Dehler 34's (89 to 100).
for comparisons
03-06-2012 07:46 PM
Brent Swain
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

I've been told that my designs , down to 31 feet , look better with the pilot house than without it. I am embarrassed about how long I sat out in the rain without a pilot house before I clued in. I wouldn't be without one. In the inverted position , the buoyancy of the pilot house is the equivalent of adding thousands of pounds to the keel, in terms of ultimate stability. On a steel boat ,the pilot house can easily be as strong as the rest of the boat
03-06-2012 03:18 PM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

Thank you for your answers. My next step will be to sail the boat. You keep pointing out that the boat sails as well as any other 1975 design. I would be more than happy. if it could sail half as well as some of early Scandinavian designs, i can think of, like Swans or Hans Christian!!
03-06-2012 12:54 PM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

I am living aboard my CE38 in the Algarve. It is not normally so hot as in Greece. When not sailing, I keep a tarp over the boom and wheelhouse to keep most of the sunshine out. The boat is well insulated as it is intended for the Baltic, so that keeps the heat in or out as the case may be.
It sails in light winds as well as any other 1975 design. Try to get a demo sail on the one that you have seen.
03-06-2012 05:23 AM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

Thanks for your reply. You see my previous boats were an ecume de mer and a dufour 29. Now i was looking at a dehler 34 and a canados 37, when i came across with the 1982 coronet elvstrom 38, which gave me the impression of a strong worthy boat even though completely different from i had in mind. My wish is to sail the Greek islands living in the boat. The weather here is hot and the wind usually plenty. I love sailing and despise motoring. So any comments-advise from everybody who has a sailing or traveling experience with the boat, are more than welcome. I do not expect it to sail as fast as cruiser-racer, but can i sail it on low wind, or is it to havy or to boxy to to do that ?
03-05-2012 07:23 AM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

The Coronet Elvstrom 38 is a sailing boat with a centre cockpit and wheelhouse. It sails as well as any 1975 design of sailing boat with fin keel and skeg rudder. It sails to windward fine. Just don't expect it to point as high as a modern bendy-toy.
03-05-2012 06:10 AM
Re: What do you think about a pilothouse sailboat

Originally Posted by Idiens View Post
Since I have a pilot house (Coronet Elvstrom 38) I am biased. I sail in a T-shirt when others around me are braving the wind, rain and waves of the North Sea all wrapped up in their warmest all weather clothing and huddling under an inadequate dodger. And when it gets really hot, you need a bimini, which I have as standard by removing the pilot house sides and back.
But generally, such craft are not built to race. On a boat my size, it might carry 6 or 8 crew to race, but I only have room for four in the pilot house and the side decks are not designed to be sat on. Racing boats need lots of space to let a large crew move about fast. The pilot house does add windage, which equals drag, which equals not so fast up wind.
The "mass produced" boats are designed to meet both racing and charter cruising requirements. I guess they make up the majority of the buyers who buy brand new, as the racers want the latest and fastest and the charter companies like to offer new boats for hire. There were a lot more pilot house models built before 1975, but that market slump bust a lot of builders. Since then, the remaining companies have largely focused on their main chance. However, Nauticat survived, as did Fisher for a while. Others try now and again but generally have low sales numbers.
For those who want not to race, or just charter for a couple of weeks, and want to live-aboard and travel slow but far, the newest is not so important as the functionality. So they hunt for a suitable boat and/or spend a lot on converting it to purpose. Some even add pilot houses.
My 2 cents.
I am thinking to buy a coronet elvstrom 38 and i worry about the sailing ability of the boat. Can i sail this boat or i can ONLY motor it?. I am told that it can only sail with an aft wind of force 4-5 or more and never windward. Is that so?. I live in Greece and traveling on sails is very essential. What is the boat behavior on wind?. Anybody's experience is more that welcome.
01-23-2008 02:27 PM
Moonfish And my current desktop pic is the one with his Dad's boat at anchor off Patos Island. I'm looking forward to having our pilothouse varnished bright like that.
01-23-2008 02:24 PM
Moonfish And here is another very cool shot that Strangeflow's Dad sent me of their boat. Beautiful image. I've even had it as my desktop picture, as it makes me want to head out into the Strait and onto the Pacific Ocean. I know I'm partial, but the North Sea 33 is one damn good looking pilothouse sailboat!
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