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03-15-2012 12:02 PM
HPLou
Re: Lighting ...

Thank you so much, I sit at my computer corrected again. I appreciate all of your comments for pointing out the errors in my response postings. In the future I'll try to remember that I have to be very careful as to how I word all responses. I'm definitely learning something new every day.
03-14-2012 09:51 PM
denverd0n
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Originally Posted by HPLou View Post
I was not quoting the Nav Regs, I was giving a general interpretation...
You said that "according to the regs" the larger ships have the "ROW" (by which one can only assume you meant Right Of Way). Perhaps the next time it would be best not to say things like "according to the regs" if it is not your intention to quote the regs.
03-14-2012 09:24 PM
hellosailor
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At least in the northeast, if you call in to the USCG and tell them you see a white strobe light, they'll consider it as distress signal and send out a boat.

And if you're not in distress, well, you know what happens when you make mamma come up there to stop all that noise.
03-14-2012 08:00 AM
chef2sail
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Practice the "big boat rule". Give way to large ships unless you want to relive PT109.

Dave
03-13-2012 01:54 PM
HPLou
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MarkSF,

I was not quoting the Nav Regs, I was giving a general interpretation, albeit very brief generalization, of how to think on the water. The link to the Nav Rules was previously posted so I saw no reason to quote the Rules. As for the commercial part, yes you are correct, but again, just trying to give the OP a sense of what's on the water. If you think about it, how many of those large vessels are not commercial? If I had thought it was that much of a deal, I would have pulled out the Colregs from my masters pouch and given an on line course in the Rules of the Road.

Let's all be friends and not nit pick over giving anybody safe advice when on the water.
03-12-2012 03:57 PM
Barquito
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That's all fine and dandy in a book. But on the water, I generally assume that ships either can't see me, or can't maneuver quickly enough to avoid me if they can see me, or just don't give a rat's a$$ about little sailboats. In other words, I pretty much assume that I'm as good as invisible and stay out of their way as much as possible.
And/or stay in radio contact with Big Bertha Ship. When making course changes, make them obvious.
03-12-2012 03:41 PM
flyingwelshman
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03-12-2012 03:12 PM
MarkSF
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I do the same, and agree with you completely. But the statement I corrected was that the regs state such and such, which is not the case.

However there's very little satisfaction in being posthumously in the right
03-12-2012 03:07 PM
SlowButSteady
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Originally Posted by MarkSF View Post
Surely this is the case only if the vessel is constrained by depth, restricted in ability to maneuver, engaged in fishing, or in a traffic separation scheme.

Here are the rules. There is no mention of the word "commercial".

"Except in narrow channels, traffic separation schemes, and when overtaking (i.e. rules 9, 10, and 13)

A power-driven vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver (this may include vessels towing one another[8]);
a vessel engaged in fishing;
a sailing vessel.
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
a vessel engaged in fishing.
A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver.
Any vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre shall, if possible, not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draft, exhibiting the signals in Rule 28.
A vessel constrained by her draft shall navigate with particular caution having full regard to her special condition.
That's all fine and dandy in a book. But on the water, I generally assume that ships either can't see me, or can't maneuver quickly enough to avoid me if they can see me, or just don't give a rat's a$$ about little sailboats. In other words, I pretty much assume that I'm as good as invisible and stay out of their way as much as possible.
03-12-2012 02:59 PM
MarkSF
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Originally Posted by HPLou View Post
Keep in mind, according to the regs, these larger commercial powered vessels have the ROW over the sailboat under sail.
Surely this is the case only if the vessel is constrained by depth, restricted in ability to maneuver, engaged in fishing, or in a traffic separation scheme. So in the ocean a container ship should give way to a sailboat.

Note that the term Right of Way should be avoided too. There is no such concept as absolute right of way, merely stand-on and yielding vessels.

Here are the rules. There is no mention of the word "commercial".

"Except in narrow channels, traffic separation schemes, and when overtaking (i.e. rules 9, 10, and 13)

A power-driven vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver (this may include vessels towing one another[8]);
a vessel engaged in fishing;
a sailing vessel.
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
a vessel engaged in fishing.
A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver.
Any vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre shall, if possible, not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draft, exhibiting the signals in Rule 28.
A vessel constrained by her draft shall navigate with particular caution having full regard to her special condition.
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