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12-23-2012 03:03 PM
RichardM
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

Nice Video Denise. They indeed look like they are having fun!
12-23-2012 02:44 PM
deniseO30
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

Or! build one in the basement! lol

12-23-2012 02:31 PM
deniseO30
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

These "blokes" as they say down under seem to be having a fun day.
12-23-2012 02:25 PM
deniseO30
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

Bill go for it! There was a guy up my way that was building them out of home center materials.
12-22-2012 10:54 PM
ilikerust
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

Well I dunno about most other sailors, but I do get excited by sharpies. I have developed what might be called a little obsession with them. I've read Reuel Parker's sharpie book twice over the past couple months and currently am about halfway through it for the third time. I have resolved that to build a Parker Terrapin 25 or something very similar is officially on my bucket list.

As far as cost of keeping one in a slip - it seems to me one of the beauties of a 25 or even up to 30-foot sharpie as compared to a similarly-sized keelboat is the ability for it to live on a trailer.

Sure, it doesn't have all the creature comforts of a modern GRP boat, but I am sincere and honest when I say I actually like a very simple boat - my current boat is a 1968 Pearson Wanderer, and aside from the Garmin GPS chartplotter and the VHF radio, it has zero electronics. No cabin heat, no A/C, no water heater, no flush toilet with holding tank (it has a composting head) not even an electric pump for my galley sink. And my goal for my "next boat" is something simpler. See, it turns out my wife is not a huge sailing fan, and has even less interest in overnighting. When I do go sailing, it's usually with a sailing buddy of mine. And I don't mind "roughing it" - in fact, I really enjoy going camping and making do with just the basics. Plus simpler = fewer things to break, malfunction or just go wrong.

I guess I've got inverse "next boat syndrome". Rather than wanting to move up to a larger, fancier boat, I'm looking forward to a less-expensive boat to own and maintain, and a sharpie that can use a small outboard motor and live on a trailer when I'm not using it seems pretty well-suited. Plus I think it would be a very cool project to build one.
03-24-2012 01:25 PM
ballenas
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

there is so little weight compared to reserve buoyancy, they easily rise to a wave.
03-24-2012 12:09 PM
oysterman23
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

I saw some pictures of New Haven Harbor back in the day with alot of sailcraft and sharpies spread out along the flats. it looked to be as if they hauled em em partially onto the marsh and tied them to stakes.

There used to be a variety of interesting ways to keep boats back then....Block Island had a "Pole Harbor" along Crescent Beach which were literally hundreds of poles rigged with block and tackle that they used to haul the boats above tide level it must have been a bit more complicated than simple poles...but I do recall reading that the pole harbor was finally wiped out after the 38 hurricane. (I suspect the fishing was pretty down by then anyway)
sorry if I hijacked....I think sharpies would be pretty quick to get pooped coming into a beach?????
03-23-2012 11:11 PM
deniseO30
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

gotta wonder if they surfed them onto the shores?
03-23-2012 10:37 PM
oysterman23
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

Hi Ballenas
nice to hear your hands on experience with one in a variety of weather.
I think one thing alot of folks forget about the sharpies and various other work boats once very numerous along the coasts is that they were meant to be loaded...if you read accounts from the big oyster times around the turn of the century they were quite literally hundreds of these boats in New Haven, East River Staten Island, Great South Bay etc etc doing all sorts of hauling and transporting fish and tons of oysters for the market, seed oysters and clams, salt hay for the stables ad infinitum and the ranged in size from 23 to nearly 90 feet in length. Of course not all were the New Haven style. But that basic hull performed a variety of tasks and did it well in what I suppose we would call a "coastal" role.

For instance fisherman and cord wood dealers ran loads along the south beaches into New York Harbor on a regular basis.
The rigs they use are a lesson too. sprit rigged or boomless mizzens allowed for work room and let wind spill when spill it must, :Efficiency in a sail is properly determined by the purposes to which it is applied so in that sense many of the older rigs were in fact quite perfect for what they were doing, and since cotton or canvas was the primary material, the larger rather low aspect arrangements were a sensible approach. There are others such as the working boats intolerance of sail changes when too much sail could be easily accommodated by taking a reef. Anyway I love the history of the work boats and think they still have some lessons to teach the boating industry of today ....Simplify simplify....
03-23-2012 08:39 PM
ballenas
Re: Herreshoff's Meadowlark sharpies

I have an original Meadowlark (33ft) here on the BC coast. She is not really like traditional sharpies but more like Munroe's Presto, having an arched bottom and plenty of ballast (almost 45% of displacement). Whimbrel is a little sluggish particularly to windward in really light airs as the area of the leeboards is too small and they stall. Once we reach about 3 knots boat speed things start to work. She will tack through 90 degrees but not efficiently, performing noticably better being sailed a little fuller.
Whimbrel is also sluggish in maneuovering, as are many sharpies.
She is stiff and fast. by the time the wind is blowing 15 odd knots few boats will stay with us without special go fast strings and sails. I have sailed to windward in force 7 under full sail and not been over whelmed or over pressed. Taking a gust she would just heal over till rail under, accelerate and recover. With any decent wind she goes to windward very well, easily reaching hull speed, and occaisionally exceeding it. This is the only boat I have ever had that I look forward to a good passage to windward. She can be easily trimmed to sail hands free on any heading from close hauled to running wing and wing. She is not wet nor does she pound much and rarely very hard. We have been out in 2-3 metre seas without discomfort.
I have a lot of storage. Under the cockpit seats there is room for spare fuel, water, fenders sailcovers tarps, ropes, Spare anchor and rode, garbage in bags. In the foc's'le there is the main anchor, and rode, spare sails extra bedding, spares and tools, charts and publications and still room for us to stuff things out of the way when necessary. The cabin has storage for food, cloths, bedding, as well as comfortable (sitting headroom) for two and a dog. There is no privacy around the head (out of sight until needed), so we just look the other way. This works for us very well. It is a small 33 footer by todays standards.
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