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04-15-2012 12:23 AM
aeventyr60
Re: Question for world cruisers

USCG documentation. Stopped the state registration when I departed. Some places would not know the difference between a state registration and the USCG document. Mine is usually expired, nobody has ever said anything. Still waiting for my "snail mail" to catch up with me for my "current" documentation certificate.
04-14-2012 06:21 PM
DRFerron
Re: Question for world cruisers

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"I keep my boat in Maryland but I don't pay property tax on the boat, just on the property I own. "
To your credit, you obviously aren't a lawyer. "Property" is a laymen's term. Your house and the land under it are "real property" as distinguished from "personal property" or "Chattel goods".
Real property tax, on real estate, is not the same as "personal property tax".
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. No, I'm not a lawyer.
04-13-2012 04:30 PM
SOVT
Re: Question for world cruisers

Personally I wouldn't go into foreign waters without a USCG Documented boat. Another consideration is dealing with the various customs authorities in European waters. It is my understanding that they will charge the VAT levy on boats where the owner and boat are not of the same nationality.
04-13-2012 03:59 PM
hellosailor
Re: Question for world cruisers

DR-
"I keep my boat in Maryland but I don't pay property tax on the boat, just on the property I own. "
To your credit, you obviously aren't a lawyer. "Property" is a laymen's term. Your house and the land under it are "real property" as distinguished from "personal property" or "Chattel goods".
Real property tax, on real estate, is not the same as "personal property tax". Go to CT and you'll pay personal property tax on your CAR every year as well, unless they've changed that. It made two and three year old used luxury cars very popular there, since they weren't taxed on the higher value of a NEW car.
And while the taxman is biting, many states also charge SCHOOL TAX which can double the "property tax" on your real estate. Some charge "frontage tax" based on the number of feet that your property abutts a municipal paved road.
Got a business? Some charge inventory tax or business property tax, on all the goods and fixtures your business has, including your water cooler, every year.

And the best thing about tax men in the US, is that they fall under administrative law, neither civil nor criminal. So, they can charge you, and it is mainly up to you to prove your innocence. They don't have to prove you are guilty. Somehow, they operate under Napoleonic Code, not the usual "innocent till proven guilty".

As to "sailing on a chunk of the US" maybe, up into the late 80's. The protections and benefits given to documented vessels have dried up and blown away over the years. You might find them in Chapter 10, USCode, if you wanted to dig up older versions and see how much has been lost. And of course, the Department of State really has been trying to ignore those damned taxpayers more and more every year. Whether you have rights or not, they'd really rather endorse W.C.Fields: "Go away, boy, you bother me."
04-12-2012 06:28 PM
DRFerron
Re: Question for world cruisers

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I was told that the Maryland tax people cruised the parking lots at apartment complexes for out of state license plates so they could go after people who have been in the state more than 30 days and did not switch to Maryland registration and the resulting excise tax. Urban legend?
MD DNR does check dinghy (powered) registrations as well as marinas. I think it's common for most states to do that. Probably more so with the coastal states.
04-12-2012 06:20 PM
GeorgeB
Re: Question for world cruisers

Perhaps in Maryland it is included as an excise tax on the annual boat registration just like it is handled for automobiles? I was told that the Maryland tax people cruised the parking lots at apartment complexes for out of state license plates so they could go after people who have been in the state more than 30 days and did not switch to Maryland registration and the resulting excise tax. Urban legend?
04-12-2012 05:32 PM
jfitzgerald
Re: Question for world cruisers

State Regs. are meaningless in Europe. Your vessel should be documented. Good Sailing
04-12-2012 04:10 PM
DRFerron
Re: Question for world cruisers

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Maryland is a no property tax state? I thought that they went after everything?
What I know is that we pay property tax on the house that we have in Maryland. Not on the boat.
04-12-2012 03:57 PM
GeorgeB
Re: Question for world cruisers

Other than Canada, Mexico, and the Bahamas, you will need Federal documentation on your boat in order to clear into foreign countries (and I’d recommend documentation for Mexico too). If your boat is not documented and registered through your state, you need to keep that up to date. California, for example will want the back fees no matter where your boat was, even if it was on the hard. Maryland is a no property tax state? I thought that they went after everything? California has property tax collected by the county and I’d contact the local assessor’s office. Chances are you will still be taxed if you are still domiciled in that state. Boats are assessed and taxed as personal property.
04-12-2012 03:20 PM
DRFerron
Re: Question for world cruisers

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On the contrary, I would take care to de-register (state registration) the boat, otherwise the DMV might come after you for years of registration fees, once you (or the boat) return.
I can't see this happening (it doesn't now). The state would have to prove that your boat was in their waters for that time period, wouldn't they? Who has the resources to do that and how can it be proven one way or the other? If you let your state registration expire, it's expired. If you want to renew it you just send in the renewal when you're ready. I've done that before.

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If you do owe property tax on the boat while abroad, I don't know.
I would assume not, because property tax if for US property; you would not owe it on a foreign house either.
But if the boat is state-registered, the state will want property tax.
Can you explain what you mean, please? Property tax is property tax. A boat is a vessel or vehicle and not property. I keep my boat in Maryland but I don't pay property tax on the boat, just on the property I own. Apples and oranges.

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If any country is going to be iffy about registration of your boat, federal is going to be better than state.
Probably true. It was once explained to me that sailing on a documented boat is like sailing on a little chunk of the US. True? No idea.
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