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1 Week Ago 09:45 AM
outbound
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Have the hydrovane with a balanced spade TQA. In practice hydrovane is used only on long passages. Under power the pin that fixes it in place breaks even when using a line with snubber to tension it. On our boat if set up the davits must be folded in. Means pulling ding on deck all the time which is a PIA. So the hydrovane rudder and top piece are removed ( big so hard to store) and only come out twice a year. Need to be doing >1000nm for it to make sense to use it.
Still it works. Seems to work better downwind in light air than prior servopendulums I've had on prior boats. Seems to be less sensitive to trim/balance as well. Easier for crew to understand so unlike the servopendulums after 3 minute chat they got it and are up and running. No lines in cockpit and off center mount are big pluses.
1 Week Ago 08:48 PM
TQA
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I am bored and for once have a good wifi signal as I wait for the full moon party to kick off [ island time ] so I read the last few pages. Here are a couple of comments.

I am a full time liveaboard cruising between Trinidad and St Marten. I have noticed that the Moorings have just put a bunch of new 45 = 55 ft monos into their fleet, mind you they still have a shedload of charter cats all of whom have been hit hard with the ugly stick.

Re rudder position If I was going to make a serious offshore passage [ think Jeanne Socrates ] I would have BOTH a skeg hung rudder AND a transom hung rudder in the form of a Hydrovane.
1 Week Ago 07:02 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Following the RWYC Transat (OSTAR) race and the F11 storm that hit the fleet. I put together an interesting look at the broken boats.
1 Week Ago 06:35 PM
colemj
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
That's really cool that Bob's cat was stalking the grounds.
All catamarans are the same…

Mark
1 Week Ago 06:15 PM
colemj
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I didn't take the question as a poke, and I still don't fully understand it. Are you asking how often we haul and what paint? Our running gear are saildrives with folding props. Right now we have Ameron ABC bottom paint that we threw on as a getby until we return somewhere where we can use better paint (we are back in the US for the summer). In the tropics, we have used SeaHawk Islands 44 and Blue Water Paints Caribbean Gold. The saildrives get paint with no cuprous oxide content. The props this time have something called "Glidecoat" on them (observations on effectiveness pending). In the past, the props were etched, primed and got bottom paint (which never worked well past 6 months). On the boat, we get 1 year of no growth at all, another year that starts out with soft wipes every 6-8 weeks, going to harder wipes every 3-4 weeks by the end of the year, the third year we are pushing it and diving every 2 weeks with a good scrub.

If boats diverted to Bermuda, most likely they are in St. George. We are in Hamilton, and the boats I mention are also, because that is where the racing is. It could be that St. George is chock full of blue water monohulls with no catamarans at all.

Strange, when we were in the Eastern Caribe, the Windwards and Leewards were chock full of catamarans - particularly the French Islands. Maybe we both see what we want to see…

Mark
1 Week Ago 06:04 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by colemj View Post
While I was out watching the AC races today, I did a quick survey of the spectator fleet. There were 15 monohulls and 26 catamarans here in Bermuda watching the races. Not counted in the totals were superyachts (mostly mono, but I included three 70-80' catamarans in this category), 8 catamarans that seemed to be spectator charters because they were full of people, and some obvious local boats (2 catamarans that I know are local and 4-5 small monos like J24's and folkboats).

The catamarans were all typical production boats from the major manufacturers with the exception of Bob Perry's "Little Wing" and a Wauquiez Kronos 45, which was never a large production model. The monos consisted of 3 Morgan Out Islands, 2 Benetaus, a Jeannau (I think, but it was something similar), a Hunter, a 1960's Pearson, a 60-70' Oyster, a 70-80' Oyster, and several other boats of late 60's to early 80's vintage. Ironically, no Wauquiez monos (that I could identify - those aren't my strong suit).

The "Blue Water Boat" contingency was sorely missing, while the production boats seemed to have the roost.

Make of this what you will, as well as if getting to/from Bermuda is blue water enough, and if coming here to watch racing and then going elsewhere constitutes real cruising.

Mark
That's really cool that Bob's cat was stalking the grounds.
1 Week Ago 06:02 PM
outbound
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Going fishing. Out classed here in argumentativeness. Trout for dinner. No rain, water warmer, hatch up.
1 Week Ago 05:59 PM
outbound
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Guess I'm not going to make any friends today. Yes was asking you Mark. Was curious we get a short haul every ~1 1/2y and a dive ~2 months. Want to do better. Wasn't a poke but rather want the information.
You're observation is interesting. Given recent weather many of the SDR fleet diverted to Bermuda and several planned that stop in advance. Friends left yesterday on a sister ship to catch the finals. In the folks I know in Bermuda than two all monos. All very traditional bwb ( amel, Perry, HR, hylas etc.). Guess my observations are wrong as it seems both in new boats (a lot of oysters for the brits, Hylas for the NAs) and old ( usual crowd) monos continue to predominant once you go south east of virgin Gorda. Rare multis. Those way out of my pay scale. One offs, Gun boats etc.
2 Weeks Ago 05:34 PM
Lazerbrains
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post

Finally, as for distance from shore - you can see our track above and can measure if you so desire. We were offshore - and in sometimes challenging conditions as I said.
Like I said earlier, any cruiser would consider that a coastal passage - if it makes you feel bigger to call it "offshore", then do it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a relatively short coastal passage which looks to never be more than 60nm from land.
2 Weeks Ago 05:34 PM
colemj
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by outbound View Post
By the way. Are you using tin on your bottom and what do you do about running gear?
Is this question to me? If so, I'm afraid it took enough of a sharp turn that I don't understand it.

Mark
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