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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#2,380 · (Edited)
New boats: Flabria 33 and 40ft.

Flabria are Polish boats that are not alike other Polish boats, they are relatively expensive boats and point to a superior semi-custom segment of the market.

Never heard about it? well this one I had to confess that till some time back neither do I. Never saw one, they are not in the main European boat shows and I can only judge the quality by the photos.

Why are they interesting? Well the simple fact that a Polish shipyard can survive for several years already, expanding their line and making quality boats without going to boat shows is interesting. If they would not make a quality product at a very competitive price nobody would be buying their boats and they are doing all right on a very troubled market affected by the global crisis.

Let's have a look at their boats:

The older one, the 40 looks a modern but very traditional design (by European standards). Certainly it is not about the design that people are buying the boats. The stability curve is really very good.







The boat looks very well done and if it is not for the design neither for the price (over 320 000€) it only can be for the quality that they manage not only to survive but also to besides the new 33 a projects for a 45 and 50ft boats.









The new 33ft looks more modern, with a more high tech keel and it looks really interesting.































The boat has also a centerboard version and cost a bit over 200 000€.

Yacht magazine tested recentely the 33 and the 40ft:

MOVIE:

Flabria 33 und 40 im Doppelpack - Yacht TV

|| Flabria Yachts Finland

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#2,381 ·
Vor 70

Puma on light winds seems to be unbeatable. For the first time he has a significant distance to Telefonica (30Nm). Groupama seems incapable to make the same speed in these conditions.

They will have weak and some medium winds till Miami and I think that Puma is going to have its second consecutive victory in a row while Telefonica will consolidate the race leadership. Pity Groupama...we needed some more competition for the race leadership :(.

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Race Data Center
 
#2,382 · (Edited)
Salona 35

I have been trying to make a post on the Salona 35 but they have not have post any photos of the 35 sailing, not any news about the new 60. Their site seems to be a bit abandoned…are they having troubles?:confused:

Related with other subject I exchanged some emails with Nenad, the sales director and he told me their problem: They have 40 boats to deliver and have not time for nothing except making boats:D.

Well since they have no time to put decent photos of the boat sailing, let's see that new interior. It seems it can come in two versions, with white panels or with plain wood.

The one with white panels:









And for the plain wood interior....we have to look at a Finnish site. They have a 360º photo...while the shipyard has not yet one:rolleyes:

Salona 35 tarjoaa vauhdikasta matkapurjehdusta

For more information he can hear what Nenad has to say about the boat:

 
#2,386 · (Edited)
JPK 38 - new boat

And what a boat. I want one:D



The boat looks a lot better than in the drawings with very fine entries more rocker than you would expect on a downwind boat. I has one of those hulls that you look at it and say uau!!! that has to work, upwind and downwind. Even the considerable beam is not evident when you look the hull up in the air.

I really have the best impression about JPK, a former solo racer than many years ago started to make boats, first its own, then for friends and later as a boat builder. I bet this boat is going to increase the size of its shipyard that builds more for racers than for cruisers. I guess this are going to change.

The boat is very light (5000kg) it has a big ballast for that kind of hi-tech keel with a big draft (2.70m). That and the hull shape will make a boat with a huge stability, directional and in what regards RM. An easy and fast boat for solo or short crew sailing. A boat that would be a pleasure to cruise having fun while sailing. The boat has a version with a swing keel: a big draft that will be reduced to 1.30m for anchoring.



I have not seen yet the interior work but JPK makes very good solid interiors with an agreeable cozy feeling. I hope this one will not be an exception.

Guys, I am really impressed. This one will come straight to the short list of my favorite boats and contrary to the Xp 38 this one is "almost" affordable. I guess it will cost 20 or 30 000€ more than a Salona 38.





















 
#2,389 · (Edited)
500Nm in 24 hours, a record for short crew sailing.

and some great images of a two year old unbeaten sailing record for a two men crew. On an Open 60 off course;)



edit: After all it is not the record anymore. It was beaten last year by Virbac Paprec another Open 60 with Jean Pierre Dick/Loick Peyron as Crew: distance: 506.333 nm; average speed: 21.1 kts in the Barcelona World Race 2010-11
 
#2,393 · (Edited)
2003 Bavaria 36

Ok, this thread is about recent boats but I have made some recommendations about older but not too old boat but never said anything about my old boat:D. I was lucky with it. No warranty claims and one of the reason I took so long to find the kind of boats I wanted from my next boat was because I wanted a fast boat with a sensitive wheel and it was difficult to find the adequate type, I mean considerably better than the old Bavaria.

Not all Bavaria models are like that. That one has an interesting story. The dealer from Mallorca, that is pretty much a family more some friends (and also on of the biggest sellers from Bavaria with hundreds of boats each year) used to make the royal regattas in Palma and were a bit pissed up with the results. They asked Bavaria for a faster boat (that was before the Match series) and the cruiser that come for that was the Bavaria 36 (a 2003 model but up on the water since 2002). If you compare the 36 with the previous boat, a 37, it is more narrow, more elegant, a lot less heavier and much faster.

Now that the boat is really inexpensive I have seen the boat racing, cruising offshore and circumnavigating. I have seen it on the Transquadra, on the Caribbean 1500 and on the BVI regatta. BVI spring regatta is not as serious as the Transquadra, just a way of cruisers to have a bit of fun racing mostly in charted boats. An interesting idea and certainly great fun:



One of the boats you can charter there for the race is a Bavaria 36 and it is also one of the most inexpensive. Look at its results on the last year's :
edition:D:

Durley Dene, a Bavaria 36 in the Horizon Yacht Charters fleet in the BVI, won its class with five wins in the 40th anniversary BVI Spring Regatta which took place April 1 - 3. Durley Dene, crewed by staff, family and friends of Horizon Yacht Charters and the smallest yacht in her class, won each race by minutes not seconds, beating other yachts up to seven feet larger.

Sailing in big seas and winds for the first two days of racing, Durley Dene performed so strongly that on corrected time she would have won three races in Bareboat A with yachts in the 47 to 55 foot range including Beneteau 50.5s, Sunsail Jeanneau 53s and Moorings 54.5s.

Durley Dene is no stranger to victory having racked up 19 victories in 20 races spread over this BVI Spring Regatta and three Antigua Sailing Weeks in 2004 and 2005 and 2006; a second place in one race during the 2005 Antigua Sailing Week marred the almost perfect score, when she was becalmed. This was Durley Dene's first regatta outing since 2006 and she has been working hard in the Horizon charter fleet since then.


Bavaria 36 -- Perfect five at 2011 BVI Spring Regatta

I know that it is handicap racing but anyway, it is fun to win and even if the boat is not as fast as a First 36.7 an Elan or Salona 37, it is a remarkably fast boat for its time and faster than many bigger cruising boats, especially with light winds and not only. The first time I notice that was when I saw that I could beat, solo sailing with 10K wind a Beneteau 39 with full crew, upwind and pointing higher and that is quite amazing since the Bavaria come with a big 150% Genoa, hot the best sail for pointing ability. On one of the few races I had done with it, with light winds I managed to beat a Dufour 40 performance, with my 10 year's old soon doing the steering while I was keeping the sails in shape (the Dufour was a a bit faster upwind but downwind I recovered more than what I had lost upwind).

So if you don't have much money want a boat with a great storage space and a good performer you could do worst than buying a Bavaria 36 of that vintage.

Pay attention because not all boats are the same, go for the one with 1.9m draft lead keel and for the classical mast that has a lot more sail that the furling one.

The boat was a big success and many hundreds of boats were made so it is not difficult to find them at a good price. You can find them from 60 000 USD.





Now you cannot say that I never talked on this thread about really inexpensive boats:D

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#2,395 ·
Arc

Crisis? what crisis:rolleyes: This year's ARC edition, that will take place 7 months from now is full...but the inscriptions keep piling up.

They have made an effort to accept more boats…in Las Palmas they will mount more pontoons and they have taken in 270 inscriptions…but after that 25 more have appeared and it seems more will come.:eek:

Around 300 sailboats crossing the Atlantic at the same time!!!! Who would have believed it possible some years back. So much for the crisis:D.
 
#2,397 · (Edited)
Ok, I think I have a boat that hasn't been on the thread, or the brand even. Just ran into it by accident and thought I would toss it into the mix. E Sailing Yachts. The builder is Lyman Morse and the designer is Jeremy Wurmfeld. (I looked on the index and couldn't find it there. Sorry If I missed it in the last two years of reading the thread! :D)

First, the e-33 day sailer.


Hadn't heard of them before. They have designs for a 27' day sailer and a 44' cruisier. Here is the 44



Thought they were interesting to me at least. The 27' day sailer looks like it would be fun and easy to sail.

Old school look but some new ideas. Anyone have any thoughts on these?
 
#2,398 · (Edited)
e boats

Hi!, thanks for posting.:)

Yes I have posted about the bigger one some months back. It is really a nice boat and it is amazing how it is not been produced yet. Sailboat interest in the US is really weak when compared with Europe. Interesting expensive boats always find a buyer here.

The e27 I don't know if I posted about but those are really nice boats and they are very welcomed again on this thread, maybe someone around there notice them and we can see the e44 in flesh and bones.

The e27 is really a delightful daysailer, a classic boat with a modern under-body and I bet it will be a pleasure to sail and fast too.

To complete the e-series they also make the e-33, also a daysailer and they have a new high performance sail with a square top. Nice the look of modern things blended with old classical shapes;)



e33 - Sailing World

e Sailing Yachts

Regards

Paulo
 
#2,404 · (Edited)
VOR: Very interesting

Hey Guys, you should give a good look at the the VOR: About 1000 Nm to go and three boats with a difference of 20Nm, very complicated weather pattern big tactical decisions on the next hours and all the three are taking different options.:D

I guess that there is a big chance that the winner will be determined on the next 24 hours.

Puma starts with a 13Nm head lead…but that is no big assurance given the difficulty of the game ahead. Any slight mistake will cost it the lead.

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Race Data Center
 
#2,407 ·
Re: VOR: Very interesting

Hey Guys, you should give a good look at the the VOR: About 1000 Nm to go and three boats with a difference of 20Nm, very complicated weather pattern big tactical decisions on the next hours and all the three are taking different options.:D

I guess that there is a big chance that the winner will be determined on the next 24 hours.

Puma starts with a 13Nm head lead…but that is no big assurance given the difficulty of the game ahead. Any slight mistake will cost it the lead.

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Race Data Center
It is on these conditions that big gains can be obtained. All boats are doing less than 6K, some just doing 2K.

So far Puma had played it brilliantly and has won miles over the pursuers (3.5Nm) and most of all, now they seem to be all in about the same course.

Another one that has been playing very well is Groupama that reduced by half the distance that separates it from the leader, but I guess that it is too late and the weak winds ahead will not be to its advantage.

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 | Race Data Center

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#2,405 · (Edited)
Transat AG2R

Now, if the VOR is super interesting what to say of this one?:D Take a look at what is close offshore racing:

Transat AG2R La Mondiale 2012

Tabarly and Morvan has been in a close fight from the beginning, changing regularly the lead and to make things more interesting they got decent wind and are going fast. Nice images too;):

 
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