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|04-20-2012 12:28 AM|
Re: Vancouver 27 / Allegra 24
I recently purchased a UK-built V274 and am continually surprised by the quality and robustness. It's a smallish boat, but is very comfortable for a 27 footer. I'm 6'1" and no other boats on my shortlist allowed for standing headroom below..about 6'2". A luxury! The biggest difference, to my knowledge, between the Canadian and UK versions is that the UK boats have a couple inches of tumblehome in the hull amidships which make her a bit stiffer.
Some of the issues I've found:
1. The rudder strut just below the prop and connecting the keel to the skeg was slightly cracked atop and lengthwise. Grinding down, I found it to be foam cored and all the foam had become rotten. I did not find this to be a hard fix, however, despite it being my first foray into fiberglass repair.
2. minor blistering around the hull, not too surprising for a 30 year old boat.
3. when the hull was laid up, the builder could not mold the main hull along with the rudder strut / skeg all at once. They had to be glassed together afterwards. I found this to be a problem area, one that had in my case apparently blistered and been patched over many years ago. The epoxy/filler used had begun to crack like cement. Beneath, I found small pockets of blistering far into the laminate, requiring a deep grinding and allowing the further honing of my new-found glassing skills.
4. minor issues here and there consistent with an older boat.
Foundational problems that I've heard about with these boats are scarce, though sources are thin, scattered and at times somewhat conflicting. Blistering (though V27s have been produced by many different builders throughout the years) and problems with the rudder heel, somewhat consistent with my experience, is all that really comes to mind.
Otherwise the boat is built like a tank. Heavy and a bit slow, but still easy to shorthand and with a solid motion. Balances and tracks like a true bluewater vessel. The high freeboard is not a bad tradeoff for a drier ride in my opinion, given the boat is heavy and tracks well enough despite the higher windage. The rigging, with the addition of running stays, the inner forestay/shrouds, and twin backstays, provide 12 or so points rising up to the mast at every angle. It's almost a bit comical looking up at it from the deck. The size and mount of the outboard rudder gives a similar effect.
Though being cutter rigged, it seems most boats west of the atlantic have adopted genoas which like to get caught up in the inner forestay when tacking but are otherwise nice for coastal cruising. I plan to convert back to the yankee and staysail once my aging genoa is due for replacement.
At any rate, I hope some of this helps. Here are some other V27 links I've come across:
Vancouver 27 Review : Bluewaterboats.org
Vancouver 27: Pocket Voyager - features.boats.com
Owners association: Vancouver Yachts Association
Owners forum: Vancouver Yachts Association Forum :: Index
I also found these two sites and their boat lists to be generally very helpful:
Atom Voyages - Good Old Boats List
Mahina Expedition - Selecting A Boat for Offshore Cruising
|03-13-2012 04:16 PM|
Re: Vancouver 27 / Allegra 24
The Vancouver 27 was built in Canada and the UK. I have not seen a UK version but the Canadian version is the most robust sailboat I have ever seen.
|03-01-2012 10:15 AM|
Do remember reading they were built in ply and sheathed in grp, somewhere.
|03-01-2012 01:50 AM|
|mitiempo||The hull and deck are fiberglass and were sold as a kit according to the article you linked to.|
|02-29-2012 05:11 PM|
Have you seen this Allegra 24 Sailboat Good Old Boat Article
As the Allegra is wood I would go for the Vancouver. But if cost is going to be a major factor then I suspect you might find the Allegra to be a cheaper buy but check really carefully for rot.
|02-29-2012 03:54 PM|
Vancouver 27s are recognized as rugged ocean going boats.. Designed by Robert Harris, outboard rudder, smallish cockpit. I wouldn't own one for coastal cruising but for the full keel set it would appeal.
I believe a number of these were produced as kit boats (Hull/deck; owner finsihed) so keep a sharp eye for poor examples of that. In some cases, of course, the builder finish could be better than 'factory'.
|02-29-2012 02:47 PM|
I am currently rebuilding a Bingham Allegra 24. Very stout hull but be careful of any delaminations/problems with glass covered ply. Many Allegras were kit build from the hull. Not many around either.
|01-25-2012 10:02 AM|
|aeventyr60||I had a friend who sailed a Vancouver 27 from Victoria, B. C. to New Zealand. Great little boat.....|
|01-21-2012 11:02 AM|
Vancouver 27 / Allegra 24
These are a couple of boats I penciled in on our short list. A forum search came up empty and we were looking for some first hand info. Any help?
We will be moving to the Gulf Shores / Orange Beach area in 18 - 24 months and working hard on our short list.
Mike and Brenda