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04-21-2012 04:45 PM
JoeDiver
Re: Firearms

Quote:
Originally Posted by 928frenzy View Post
With regard to what other countries allow or don''t allow, "when in Rome do as the Romans." As an international traveler your US Passport states that you must abide by the laws of the country you''re in, regardless of your opinion of them.
I lived in Germany for 5 years....I can't tell you how many times I heard a US citizen make the comment "I'm an American, I have rights, you can't do that to me."

LOL...seriously, it happens. There are people that just don't seem to realize that once you leave our borders you must abide by the laws of the place you're going to.

Occasionally, it was a source of embarrassment to me.
04-21-2012 02:13 PM
PenobscotBaySailor
Re: Firearms

Carrying a firearm aboard is a very personal choice, and one that must be made individually. I would never condem someone for choosing not to. The many reasons stated make that an appropriate decision for them. I do choose to arm my self. But, I have the training, the experience and the mindset to make that an appropriate decision for me and my family. The most dangerous weapon aboard is the one you aren't prepared to use. With appropriate training and research into the rules and regulations of your area of operation addressed, a firearm is just another tool, no more or less than any other tool in your inventory.
Just my two cents.
04-20-2012 06:45 AM
PalmettoSailor
Re: Firearms

Quote:
Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
I was watching a bit of a show called American Diggers. It's about a group of archeologist types hunting up stuff like civil war relics buried where armies were known to have camped and so forth.

They were hunting in Virginia in a semi rural area and were knocking on doors asking if the homeowners were interested in letting them scout their property in return for a share of any profits. The land would be returned to its original state when they were through. None of the homeowners were what you would call friendly - remember there was a whole crew along for this, not just some guy knocking on the door.

One guy answered the door with a double barreled shotgun - pointing it, another was working professionally on a car with a pistol in a holster on his hip.

This was everyday routine for these people.

What a way to live.
Yeah, That's exactly how it is here in VA. Don't come here. (Or NC or SC or GA, or anywhere else in rural USA.)

Did it ever occur to you that these incidents just might be staged to make your TV show about people digging in the dirt a tad more interesting?
04-19-2012 11:58 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Firearms

I was watching a bit of a show called American Diggers. It's about a group of archeologist types hunting up stuff like civil war relics buried where armies were known to have camped and so forth.

They were hunting in Virginia in a semi rural area and were knocking on doors asking if the homeowners were interested in letting them scout their property in return for a share of any profits. The land would be returned to its original state when they were through. None of the homeowners were what you would call friendly - remember there was a whole crew along for this, not just some guy knocking on the door.

One guy answered the door with a double barreled shotgun - pointing it, another was working professionally on a car with a pistol in a holster on his hip.

This was everyday routine for these people.

What a way to live.
04-19-2012 10:39 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Firearms

WE WON!
The Canadian long gun registry has been scrapped, and the data base for all Canada, except for Quebec, is in the process of being deleted, Quebec to soon follow. After squandering $2 billion, this has proven what a complete waste of time , money and effort the concept of registering all the guns in a huge , mostly rural country is, and can be pointed to as an example to other such proposals in other countries. There is no way they can promise to resurrect it with any real credibility to claims it a can actually work. It will simply, inevitably, lead to the same result.
04-16-2012 11:56 PM
jairo55
Re: Firearms

It does not make sense; different laws in US and overseas. Best carry a nice small sharp knife and learn how to use it. Retired LEO, I always carry a small knife overseas.
01-03-2005 02:31 PM
928frenzy
Firearms

Unfortunately, some jurisdictions have passed laws that REQUIRE every household to have at least one firearm. I don''t know if these laws will be upheld Constitutionally, but for the time-being they''re on the books.

With regard to what other countries allow or don''t allow, "when in Rome do as the Romans." As an international traveler your US Passport states that you must abide by the laws of the country you''re in, regardless of your opinion of them. If you don''t want to relinquish your right to keep a firearm onboard, don''t visit countries that require you to hand them over upon arrival. It''s really that simple.

Don''t expect folks from other countries to see it your way, especially when the crime rate in their respective country is a tiny fraction of the US crime rate. Clearly, most of them think gun-control in more beneficial to their overall society, than allowing citizens to keep them at home or onboard.

Now, do not take what I''ve written here to mean you should give up your firearms. You do what you think is best for you, and I''ll do what I think is best for me.

Peace.
01-03-2005 11:09 AM
markcash
Firearms

Not trying to be rude but that "to hell with you I am keeping my guns" seems not to be a diatribe aimed at 928frenzy as a "go to hell". Think of it more as a "Well, I''ve seen the world and the mistakes of others and if you want to go and make those same mistakes I am not going with you" type of to hell. To misquote shows also poor manners and upbringing but luckily you have the freedom here to do just that.
The question is still valid with points of view on both sides that sound reasonable. One thing to remember, those who wish to keep firearms onboard their vessel will never force those who who do not wish to keep firearms onboard to do so. Can the same be said of the other side? History clearly shows this not to be the case!


Cowboys beat UCLA in the Las Vegas Bowl!
GO WYOMING!
12-20-2004 08:05 AM
928frenzy
Firearms

Were you responding to me? If so, please show me where I said you should give up your right to bear arms?

There are ways to defend oneself without the need of firearms. Ghandi and his followers didn''t fire a single shot, yet he still managed to force the British to get out of India.

Upon retirement, I will likely live part of the year in that country I described in my previous post. The people there are very friendly, the weather is very nice, the sea is very clean, and their quality of life is in amny ways better than ours. If giving up my right to bear arms is one of the few drawbacks, I can live with it. Perhaps you cannot. To each his own.

BTW, I would never tell anyone I disagree with to "go to he!!" That''s just poor manners, and shows poor upbringing. As you should know, one of the most important freedoms we have here in the USA is the right to freedom of speech. That includes allowing someone to say what they think, even if you don''t agree with it.

~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
12-19-2004 09:05 PM
markcash
Firearms

great, then you can move there and be happy. While you are moving there you can remind my childhood friends from Rhodesia why it is such a good idea to rely upon the authorities for your own safety. You can tell the jews why they should trust the nazi regime in Germany. The simple fact is that people like you should not be telling people what they can or can''t do on their own boat! If you decide not arm yourself that''s wonderful, that''s your perogative! I am sure thiefs and pirates appreciate your pacificity also. The propblem is jerks who for the sake of "harmony" or "peace" give up other peoples guns and other peoples rights in order to make themselves feel better. It doesn''t work on the large scale (Chamberlain and the Nazi''s) and it didn''t work with the bullies on the schoolyard so why the hell do you think that somewhere in the middle everybody out there can be trusted and for those that can''t, it just a small statistic not to worry about. Fine, you go be that statistic! My friends in Rhodesia were statistics also simply because they had no means to defend themselves. We need more cowboys willing to face down the bad guys than wimps willing to give up all for the sake of appeasement. My life experience has taught me not to trust in the good intentions and motives of others. Any country that does not allow one the means to defend themselves is not a safe country to live in. Crime may be lower in these countries but that is often because the "official" reports leave out the details. I have been to many of these countries you probably refer to and have to disagree with your finding. In these countries you can ask the officials about the ethnic cleansing and they will say it never happened. You can ask about the massacre last week and the offial line is that it is all oposition propaganda. The UN peacekeepers are here to protect the people ( all the while taking the little girls for use as sex slaves while stationed in country).

To hell with you, I am keeping my gun!
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