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04-27-2012 06:58 PM
JoeDiver
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

If that boat is gonna move around that much in the slip, the fore/aft dock lines are too loose.
04-27-2012 04:36 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by JoeDiver View Post
Rest assured that I do.

Every marina I've ever seen or been to is a "no wake zone" and they all have some sort of protection from the outer elements. Passing boat wakes are not a factor...usually....

Before I moved across the lake to another marina, my marina was at the back of a long slough and in a cove. The whole slough was a "no wake zone". This yo-yo comes into the marina, plowing, a giant bow wave and huge wake behind him. As the giant wake moved through the marina, it tossed boats about fairly violently and caused alot of movement of the docks. This jackass must have done this all the way down the slough, because the Lake Patrol was waiting for him. After watching the spectacle for a half hour or so....they had him, his family (obnoxious lot and he was being a loud jerk), big ass boat, trailer and giant SUV...over to the side, the local police showed up and were giving him a field sobriety test.

I had to leave and didn't get to see the outcome, but I'm sure his day didn't end well and cost some serious $$$$. Fine with me...inconsiderate jerk. There are side to side, million dollar lake homes all down the slough...one dude even has a Hughes 500 on the roof of his boat house...and none of those folks appreciate their toys being tossed about by a big boat wake. (Eagle Mountain Lake is where Fort Worth money goes to play)
Well, you make may case pretty nicely Police is not always there and if this jerk, or one of his friends, comes by, I would want to make sure that his bow wave does not ram my boat into the pier. That's what an after spring is for...
04-27-2012 11:16 AM
JoeDiver
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

Rest assured that I do.

Every marina I've ever seen or been to is a "no wake zone" and they all have some sort of protection from the outer elements. Passing boat wakes are not a factor...usually....

Before I moved across the lake to another marina, my marina was at the back of a long slough and in a cove. The whole slough was a "no wake zone". This yo-yo comes into the marina, plowing, a giant bow wave and huge wake behind him. As the giant wake moved through the marina, it tossed boats about fairly violently and caused alot of movement of the docks. This jackass must have done this all the way down the slough, because the Lake Patrol was waiting for him. After watching the spectacle for a half hour or so....they had him, his family (obnoxious lot and he was being a loud jerk), big ass boat, trailer and giant SUV...over to the side, the local police showed up and were giving him a field sobriety test.

I had to leave and didn't get to see the outcome, but I'm sure his day didn't end well and cost some serious $$$$. Fine with me...inconsiderate jerk. There are side to side, million dollar lake homes all down the slough...one dude even has a Hughes 500 on the roof of his boat house...and none of those folks appreciate their toys being tossed about by a big boat wake. (Eagle Mountain Lake is where Fort Worth money goes to play)
04-27-2012 09:32 AM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by JoeDiver View Post
Thanks but I don't need a lesson in spring lines. I know what they're for and how to use them.

My point is his lack of need for them in his situation, and questioning why you recommended them. 4 dock line, 2 fore and 2 aft, are sufficient for deep inside a sheltered marina. A boat doesn't need 8 dock lines in that environment.
I am not sure if you know what spring lines are for. They prevent movement of the boat for and aft. Bow lines and stern lines are to prevent boats to move laterally. Remember that lines ONLY exert force along their long axis (you cannot push a rope). Of course, a bow line can have a fore-aft component but that is not what it is for and it is poor seamanship to rely on it.

I don't know the exact circumstances in that marina are but even if it is sheltered from the elements, I don't know how you can be sure that there are no waves from passing boats. I strongly feel that at least one after spring is needed to prevent the boat hitting the dock with the bow.
04-27-2012 01:53 AM
JoeDiver
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

Thanks but I don't need a lesson in spring lines. I know what they're for and how to use them.

My point is his lack of need for them in his situation, and questioning why you recommended them. 4 dock line, 2 fore and 2 aft, are sufficient for deep inside a sheltered marina. A boat doesn't need 8 dock lines in that environment.
04-26-2012 08:25 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by JoeDiver View Post
The aft dock lines?

Looks like the boat has 4 lines tied to her...2 bow and 2 stern....just like mine...and it's not going anywhere.
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/learni...-do-i-tie.html
Spring Lines diagram - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
04-26-2012 07:40 PM
JoeDiver
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by MastUndSchotbruch View Post
What is preventing the boat to surge forward, bow into the pier?
The aft dock lines?

Looks like the boat has 4 lines tied to her...2 bow and 2 stern....just like mine...and it's not going anywhere.
04-26-2012 01:29 PM
sevseasail
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by MastUndSchotbruch View Post
What is preventing the boat to surge forward, bow into the pier?
The Skipper.....

No, seriously, on the port side the boat is about a foot from the dock, having much shorter lines on the port side is preventing/restricting the longitudinal movement. For now, like I said before spring lines will be added and the boat will be left on the center of the slip.
04-26-2012 01:28 PM
sevseasail
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

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Originally Posted by PaulinVictoria View Post
Wow, you have huge slips there.
No, the boat is tiny
04-26-2012 01:26 PM
sevseasail
Re: Choosing a slip at the Marina

I don't think spring lines are needed under the current circumstances, but they will be added, I already have the lines and just have to "weave" (or whatever it's called in English) the loops at the ends.

90% of boats on this dock do not have them; and the coupe that do, only have forward spring lines, I figure these larger boats use them to stop their trust when docking.
Me personally like to sleep at night with no worries on my mind, so they will be added..

Thank you for noticing !!!
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