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05-03-2012 10:53 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

When I had a Catalina 27 I had stainless backing plates for the the chain plate bolts. The #3 photo looks like the person that installed that plywood backing plate didn't use stainless bolts, the bolts were not sealed, he didn't use stainless fender washers, just a botched job at best.

You don't have to remove the mast to change the chain plate bolts or install a stainless backing plate. Just loosen the turnbuckles enough to take the strain off the cables, then carefully remove all but one of the bolts. Loosen the last bolt, swing the wooden backing plate out of the way, install at least one new stainless bolt with an oversized fender washer and snug it down. Now you can remove that last rusted bolt and install a stainless backing plate by reversing the process. It's not too difficult and can be done by one person.

Good Luck,

Gary 8)
05-03-2012 08:33 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

i will post pictures of the boat and the work in progress.
05-03-2012 08:32 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

thank you.
05-03-2012 08:30 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

As Adam said, the plywood backing should go.. it's easily done, since it appears to be quite accessible. Aluminum or stainless steel would be the way to go, with polished SS getting the nod for stability and appearance.

The anchor chain is hopelessly rusted, new chain is in order.. if only for the lack of staining new galvanized chain would provide, but the chain itself must be considered suspect and unreliable.

The through hulls are certainly going to be bronze vs brass, and they are at least decent 90 degree ball valves, but there is some evidence of some leakage there.. should be checked into carefully.

Try running some stiff wire/pipecleaner/whatever up the cooling water telltale on the motor, often that passage will plug up - doesn't necessarily mean you're not pumping cooling water, but it should be there as an indication of cooling water pressure.

A usable boat for 3K, not bad.. best of luck in the upcoming season!
05-03-2012 08:10 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

Thanks everyone, all of were a great help!!!!!!

got the boat for 3000 today!

05-03-2012 08:08 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

Backing plates - hard to tell from the photo but those look like stanchion backing plates, given the layout of the bolts. I've seen other owners do the same, but with solid wood rather than ply. If you wanted to change the backing plates for the shrouds, you could do it without taking the mast down.

2) You found moisture in the anchor locker? I think this is probably fairly common.

3) I'm disinclined to comment on the through hulls. I'm guessing that they're bronze, not brass, which does turn green. I think it's okay.

4) The manual probably says to change the impeller every year anyway, but it's possible it's something else. When you say "does not pump water" do you mean that the motor doesn't "pee" or that the pump doesn't move water at all?

Price - look for similar boats in your area on Yachtworld. It's very area-dependent. But assuming the conditions in the photos generalize somewhat to the rest of the boat (not in terrible condition but far from perfect) you're probably looking at $5 - $10K.
05-02-2012 07:38 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

Just had a Look at the catalina. Overall she seems to be in Good shape. There are a couple of things I would like to get some advice on.

1. Seems like the previous owner of the current seller has added backing plates to the rigging. One of those plates (wood) seemed to be really compressed and a bit damp. I will post a picture in a couple of hours. To change the backing plates, I assume the mast does not need to come down? There is only one backing plate that looks like the one in the picture all the other look great.

2. The anchor chain locker (hole in the deck) if I felt with my fingers I could feel some moist wood. The area around the locker seemed solid. No soft spots. What should be done to fix that? Can there be something done?

3. The through hills are brass and have backing plates but definitely have some oxidation on them. Should the be replaced? Picture will follow.

4. Motor (outboard motor) does not pump water anymore after winter storage. Impeller? The motor is from the mid 90's. 4 stroke.

Any thoughts? What should a boat like this go for?

Thanks everybody you guys rock. I learned so much already.
05-02-2012 07:33 AM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

Originally Posted by AdamLein View Post
The electronics and gadgetry should not enter into the decision.
Good advice. For some reason, a lot of people put a lot of value into such gadgets, many of which are obsolete before the day they are even installed.
04-29-2012 06:13 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

From an old man's perspective (yep! I'm old), neither boat is big enough to live aboard. I had a 1978 Catalina 27 powered with a 30-HP Atomic-4. The boat sailed like a dream, it was really fast, both under sail and using the iron jenny, and going out for 10 to 15 days at a time, mainly on the waters of Chesapeake Bay, was lots of fun. BUT! By the end of 15 days that boat really seemed a lot smaller, especially inside. I had a sailing buddy with me, he snored like a grizzly bear with a head-cold, and on a hot, steamy, rainy night sleeping in the vee-berth was like sleeping in a sauna. There were lots of nights when the best sleep was obtained while under the stars with just enough breeze to keep the bugs at bay.

The vee-berth was about 7-feet from end to end, the quarter berth was about 6-6, the head was really tight, but I had a bit more headroom than the newer boats, with about 6-3 everywhere . Some of the newer boats had a different deck configuration which provided more flat walking surface, but the headroom was less than 6-feet in most places.

With this in mind, I looked long and hard at older boats for the best live-aboard specifications--not the best sailing specs. It came down to 2 choices, the Morgan 33 Out Island and the Morgan 41 Out Island. Next, this was narrowed down to which boat I can easily sail singlehanded. The 41 was just too much boat, at least for a 71-year-old guy with some missing body parts. On the other hand, the 33 turned out to be a piece of cake, plus has as much space as most conventional 41s.

It took 2 years of searching to find one that I liked and could afford. I drove more than 5,000 miles on several trips up and down the east coast of the U.S. before finding one just 50 miles away from home. I've been working on the boat and sailing it for the past two years, the work is nearly completed, (would have been done a year ago if I would have spent less time sailing and more time working), and this October I'm sailing south to the Florida Keys, Dry Tortugas and Bahamas for the winter. I'll be living aboard the entire 7 months I'll be gone, which is something I don't think I could have done on the Catalina 27.

If I were younger, and in your shoes, I would seriously consider looking into a larger boat. There are loads of good, used boats out there that would make a much better live aboard than either of those you have listed. Someone posted above that living on either would be about the same as living in a conversion van on the beach. While that may be a bit exaggerated, it's not far from the mark.

Good luck on your search,

04-28-2012 01:38 PM
Re: Cal 28 Vs. Catalina 27 livaboard

Originally Posted by SlowButSteady View Post
Granted, they have figured out what will work with that model boat, so you don't have to do the figuring yourself.
Don't discount the value of that, especially for somebody (like me) with no experience maintaining a sailboat.
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