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06-16-2012 11:10 AM
zeehag
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

the coronados are cliffs and rocks and nothing else except for some goats, and they wont tell. there is a southerly drift current as well as the speed at which the boat crashed into rocks. if all the crew nd skipper were sleeping, then yes, a crash is inevitable, with the direction and waypoint they seemed to have been using.
the islands are visible for many miles in daylight. is hard to truly believe that someone allegedly experienced in sailing kali and mexicoasts would actually make this error.
is very very sad
06-16-2012 09:12 AM
souljour2000
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Well..we know it wasnt run over by a ship and the tracking device magically keep powering itself into north Coronado...drug-smugglers? What scenario would make sense there either? I agree it's hard to believe that a moderate pacific ocean wave set could grind her up like that quickly but...hopefully the NTSB is spending 1000's of man hours on this and re-constructing the boat pieces in some hangar in San Diego and running scale model hydro-dynamics testing in a tank in Bethesda so we can rule out Piratical alien drug-smugglers and/ or bomb-toting dolphins...The Chinese Navy...etc...etc...Sometimes bad things happen...the ocean at night is sometimes a strange place...I just hope the families can have peace soon...without too much more speculation on this tragedy..
06-16-2012 08:29 AM
smurphny
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

There are still too many unknowns to make any conclusions. Until some definitive physical evidence is uncovered, this is still a mystery. Thus far, everything is supposition and although it seems logical that the boat simply ran into the island, there are a number of different possibilities.
06-16-2012 03:03 AM
poopdeckpappy
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

You'd be surprised how nasty that side of the island is. I've posted a photo of it before
06-16-2012 12:20 AM
NewportNewbie
3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Did you see Low Speed Chase? That was all damage with it hitting the rocks ONCE. Imagine if the boat was sideways and hit the rocks repeatedly. Like 3 times a minute for 6 hours. It's been said that the force of the water against the sheer cliffs even in calm seas shoots water 30 feet up. If that's the case and the boat hit the island head on. That threw whoever was on deck off. If you were down below, you were probably thrown around and knocked unconscious. Then it was tossed against the rocks repeatedly by the surf. In 6 hours it would have hit the sheer cliff 1080 times. That's not odd to me for it to get pulverized.
06-15-2012 07:15 PM
smackdaddy
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Yeah I saw that. Thanks cya. Pretty convincing stuff. But I'm still puzzled how even crashing into the rocks at 6 knots killed all 4(?) with the amount of trauma they mentioned. From what I recall, there was a swell from the north - but it was otherwise pretty calm.

Still mysterious that there would be that much destruction that quickly.
06-15-2012 06:39 PM
cyasurfin
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

there is an update on sailing anarchy forum that includes photos of wreckage that may be the "Agean".
06-13-2012 04:08 PM
GMFL
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

An update, although I think the outcome was pretty clear, although in the comments people still think otherwise...

Panel: Newport-Ensenada sailors ran aground | aegean, race, pane - News - The Orange County Register
05-09-2012 09:09 AM
svHyLyte
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Authorities have now positively identified the body found floating in the vicinity of the Coronados as that of Aegean's (till now) missing owner. Hopefully the coroner will be able to determine the cause of death and/or whether the victim sustained any of the blunt force trauma suffered by the other crew members. If not, the man overboard hypothesis, and yacht continuing under autopilot into the island while the balance of the crew slept below would seem to be supported.

Frankly, I cannot decide which is the lesser of two evils--MOB and unmanned helm, or tired, inattentive or even napping (intentionally or otherwise) helmsman steering the yacht into the island and not realizing or wakening to the fact (if at all) until too late to escape. I have a hard time believing that an awake crewman would not have seen the island soon enough the divert. There was nearly a full moon well up at the apparent time of the incident. While it would have been almost directly forward of the yacht, the island is essentially barren and would have reflected enough light to have been seen as would the surf around it's base. Closer aboard, it is high enough that the looming black hole in the horizon would have become evident quite soon enough to still have diverted and escaped. To me, for some reason, the idea that the yacht was hit by a ship was/would have been a more acceptable explanation than colliding with the island, with a manned helm or otherwise for if the latter, the injury/loss is/was, would have been largely self inflicted. Failing to be tethered to the yacht, or worst, drowsing at the helm.

In any case one must ask "What are the lessons learned/relearned?".

Above all maintaining a proper watch, observing safety procedures--tethers--which are often most valuable when they might seem to be least needed (spoken by one who has suffered the indignity of being pitched off the fore deck of a yacht in a calm sea) and perhaps calling for relief/backup when tiredness wears away ones endurance even if a change of watch isn't due. My wife and I often travel alone and so split night watches. Our rule is that one always calls the other for backup if one is struggling to remain awake, regardless of the watch schedule. We also set a timer we wear on a lanyard for 10 minute intervals to remind us to do a 360ļ scan and radar check for incoming traffic and set a safety zone of 6 miles around the yacht that the radar sweeps at 30 second intervals and sounds and alarm in the event of an intrusion. Generally a fast mover will be observed well outside the 6 mile range but that at least gives us a little time to react/avoid.

The loss of Aegean and her crew is very disturbing. There go we all save for our own preparations and the Grace...

FWIW...
05-08-2012 12:37 AM
poopdeckpappy
Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewportNewbie View Post
Yes....The SPOT GPS track shows the boat doing 6.5 knots for 3 hours directly into N Coronado Island. It puts the boat just at the island the minute the tracking was lost.


If this track is correct, this is were they grounded



Depths in this area would allow the boat (any boat) to hit this side of the island at speed
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