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05-07-2015 09:39 AM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Originally Posted by Stadel View Post
I've never posted on any of these boat sites before and I'm not sure it is a good idea for me.
Mr. Stadel,

On behalf of fellow BYB owners please accept my thanks for joining the discussion, and I hope you continue to share your views and experiences. You have first-hand knowledge on the designs, designers, and the yard that frankly isn't easy to research.

There's plenty of info available on the history of US manufactured vessels, but very little on the back-stories of Taiwanese built boats.

And, belatedly, welcome to Sailnet!

All the best,
05-07-2015 07:55 AM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Great info. Much obliged, Mr. Stadel.
These boats will be around for a while and it is great to know about their origins and design.
05-06-2015 06:08 PM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

I've never posted on any of these boat sites before and I'm not sure it is a good idea for me.

I didn't remember a Westwind 35 so I looked it up. From the picture, it is very much a Bob Perry design though beamier than I would expect from Perry. The rudder, however is the way I designed them at the time (from my time working at Sparkman and Stephens) and certain aesthetic details are those of Woody Ives, Hans Christian's architect. So I'm pretty sure what boat it is. The genesis of this boat is a convoluted old Taiwan story, best related over a glass of Demerara rum in the focsle, but not to be written down.

Regarding the Taiwan double enders, the first of these were from an old Bill Atkins design. The very first was beautifully built of wood (I remember the steam bent frames of keyaki, one of the best woods for the purpose on earth), by "Honest" Chen, a good boatbuilder whose nickname was a deserved contrast to certain other unnamed builders. Then John Edwards, who founded Hans Christian Yachts, got a design of a thirty six footer from Bob Perry, quite an improvement on the old Atkins design, (itself a development of a Colin Archer design). The Hans Christian 43 was my design no. 9, with concept (I guess you could say), deck and interior layout by Ives. I also designed a 34 foot double ender that was sold under many names, my design no. 28 as I remember. Probably the best built of the double enders was the Tayana 37, a Perry design built by Ta Yang, one of Taiwan's best builders at the time.
05-06-2015 02:12 PM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Mr. Stadel, great to hear from you. Love your designs!
How about Westwind 35? Can you share any info on that design? They were built by Young Sun Yacht Corp. from what I know.
05-06-2015 12:18 PM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

The Vagabond 47 was designed by William Garden, probably in the early 1960's, for Earnest Chamberlain, who founded Bluewater Yacht Builders in Taiwan to build it. Garden was a designer of quite extraordinarily diverse yachts and other vessels. From what I've seen he was a superb draftsman and creative designer. Chamberlain was an Englishman, as experienced a blue water sailor as you would ever meet.

In 1973 or 74 I designed the Vagabond 42 for Chamberlain. The hull design and rig were entirely mine but we worked together on the deck and layout. Basically I fit the layout he wanted into the boat. The construction was according to the way he built the 47 but modified according to my quite thorough structural calculations.

Chamberlain sold Bluewater to Jack Chen, who had worked for him for some time and who over the years has built the company into a world ranking yacht builder.

In the 1980's, Mr. West got the American distributorship for the 47 and 42, calling them the Westwind 47 and 42. Shortly after that he contracted with me to design the Westwind 38 and also got the distributorship for another boat of my design, not built by Bluewater, the Mayflower 48, which I modified slightly for him. West went out of business before any of the 48's were delivered and after only a few of the 38's were built. Interesting to hear that there was a number 9. That means I'm owed a few royalties.

The Vagabond 42 was my design no. 12, the Mayflower 48 was no. 16 and the Westwind 38 was somewhere around no. 40. My designs are often thought to be my father's. My father was a very prolific designer but we had quite separate careers.

George H. Stadel, III
06-03-2014 05:50 AM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Please keep me posted if you hear from Nancy Mackintosh as I am still searching for the drawings of the 38 foot version and other 38 foot owners.

David Knapp
06-02-2014 06:57 PM
Cap Coala
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Hi there Nancy,
It' ve a whille since you post the quote on this forum, but I was very happy to find someone with a 1st degree contact with Vagabond maker. I am just in ove with the boat and wondering if they are still been built today. The site that I found is far from conclusive and I did not got any replay from them. Can you help me on that matter?
Thank you very much,
04-24-2013 08:29 PM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Originally Posted by NancyMackintosh View Post
Was just browsing through and found your comment. I can tell you a bit more about the Vagabond Westwind and am happy to look up additional information from my Dad's notes as he designed and built them out of Blue Water factory in Taiwan. Each of the boats was of a singular hull construction, hand laid. Our family boats were a 47 that we kept in Texas and a 42 in Sarasota, Florida. I sailed most often on the 47, crossed the Gulf on her in a cruising race and loved both her lines and her comfort.
The 42 was a bit more popular with her shallower keel and was a good choice to use in the Islands. I know of one that is usually kept in St Kitts and has been used there by the same family for over a decade. I made the trip to the factory in Taiwan in the early 80's with my parents. Each hull was made one at a time. My father went to inspect every boat before she was pulled from the factory to be sent to West Coast and on from there to be commissioned and delivered. Original Engines were Lehman Deisel out of Cambridge, Uk and the masts were from France. 3 ladies hand sanded and oiled all the wood on the interior, my father was very proud of the quality of the boats both inside and out.
I hope some of this is helpful and would love to know if you found a hull to your liking.
Happy sailing, Nancy West Mackintosh
Vagabond Owners,

We purchased a Westwind 38 (Hull #1) and are very pleased with all aspects of this fine sailing vessel. Similar to Sailor 07's request, I am looking for more information (other owners, line drawings, boat history) related to the 38' edition. Nancy West Mackintosh, any information from your father's records is truly appreciated.

David Knapp
SV Serenade
03-24-2013 02:51 AM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

I have owned the 42 Vagabond Ketch for 3 years now.
She's a great boat. I am curious about what retro-fits you have done on your boat. I am in the process of outfitting my boat for a circumnavitation. Any thoughts on what I may want to replace or consider re-doing?
Thank you
11-24-2012 12:11 PM
Re: Westwind 42 vagabond

Dear Nancy,

I would love to find out more about the design and development of the 42 - I have had mine for 12 years - if you have any tech data your father can share it would be wonderful as I never received a handover or manual from the previous owner: I have done many many mods to my boat and would like to discuss with other owners the merits thereof etc

Thanks in advance,

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