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05-09-2012 10:09 AM
SchwarckT
Re: Issues with heaving-to

This explains it well: How to Heave To - Heave-to a Sailboat
05-08-2012 08:34 PM
sea_hunter You can't heave to in that little of wind and expect any kind of balance. Try again at 30 knots.
05-08-2012 08:32 PM
travlineasy
Re: Issues with heaving-to

In my case, I found that I had to double reef the main, and in fairly heavy winds I used just a tab of jib to achieve the necessary angle. My Morgan 33 O.I. is a full keeled boat, which tends to heave-to easier than a fin keeled boat. However, the book explains all this. Another option is to do a rental download of the book from YouTube at Storm Tactics Video Preview - YouTube

I haven't tried using an 8-foot parachute yet off a yoke yet, but that's not out of the realm of possibility sometime in the near future. Check out the video link and you'll find some neat things to watch.

Here the Amazon link to the paperback version of the book, where you can also take a glimpse of the book's contents.
Amazon.com: Storm Tactics Handbook: Modern Methods of Heaving-to for Survival in Extreme Conditions, 3rd Edition (9781929214471): Lin Pardey, Larry Pardey: Books Amazon.com: Storm Tactics Handbook: Modern Methods of Heaving-to for Survival in Extreme Conditions, 3rd Edition (9781929214471): Lin Pardey, Larry Pardey: Books



Good luck,

Gary
05-08-2012 06:48 PM
Tempest
Re: Issues with heaving-to

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Originally Posted by peterchech View Post
Please share, what did you do?

I just bought Adlard Coles' "Heavy weather sailing", I'm in chapter 3, and I need to finish North sail trim too, before I take on another book... haha honestly there are a few more books that I am halfway through but stopped when yet another "must read" sailing book was recommended to me

Coles' is one of those that you can read a chapter ( storm) put it down and come back anytime and read another. I found it difficult to read cover to cover the 1st time through it. Which fit's with my reading style of having several books going at once.....and, I thought it was just me that did that ;-)
05-08-2012 06:42 PM
peterchech
Re: Issues with heaving-to

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You should be able to adjust the hove-to angle by trimming the main.

when going into hove-to, you should fully release the main (what you do with the traveller then does not matter...). When the boat has hove-to, if you slightly trim the main, the boat should turn closer to the wind. If you trim the main too much, the main will cause the boat to tack.
haha "should" is the operative word.

I played with the traveler in the hope that by backing the main a bit to windward using the traveller it would make the boat turn further upwind since the wind would now push it at a greater angle. In fact is made the boat turn more away from the wind, not closer to it. Go figure...

I wonder if keel has much to do with it, since theoretically when hove to there is very little forward motion, and a little to lee, so I imagine the keel would be stalled.
05-08-2012 06:39 PM
peterchech
Re: Issues with heaving-to

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
Using the information I garnered from this book I was able to easily obtain the needed 50-degree angle to the waves necessary to heave-to in comfort.

Good Luck,

Gary
Please share, what did you do?

I just bought Adlard Coles' "Heavy weather sailing", I'm in chapter 3, and I need to finish North sail trim too, before I take on another book... haha honestly there are a few more books that I am halfway through but stopped when yet another "must read" sailing book was recommended to me
05-08-2012 05:27 PM
travlineasy
Re: Issues with heaving-to

I would suggest you purchasing a copy of Linn and Larry Pardey's book Storm Tactics Handbook, 3rd Ed. | Sailing Blog | Lin & Larry Pardey It has all the information you'll need and make life a lot safer for you.

Using the information I garnered from this book I was able to easily obtain the needed 50-degree angle to the waves necessary to heave-to in comfort.

Good Luck,

Gary
05-08-2012 04:02 PM
SchwarckT
Re: Issues with heaving-to

Both of my centerboard boats behave the same way as yours does. They want to lie almost beam-on to the wind when hove-to(jib backed, helm over, main trimmed in or out). But my O-Day 22(shoal keel/centerboard) is entirely different. With the jib backed, helm over and main sheeted in it will lie with the bow about 45-50 degrees off the wind and is extremely stable. You can change the angle the boat lies at by easing or hardening the mainsheet. Perhaps it depends more on the type of keel a boat has rather than anything to do with the rigging.
05-08-2012 03:03 PM
sailingfool
Re: Issues with heaving-to

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.... I hove-to several times for practice, and after initially heeling way over the boat balanced into that almost magically calm position of being hove-to. No matter what I did, playing with the mainsheet, traveller, and rudder, I could not get the boat to heave-to in any direction other than almost exactly beam-on to the swells. ...
You should be able to adjust the hove-to angle by trimming the main.

when going into hove-to, you should fully release the main (what you do with the traveller then does not matter...). When the boat has hove-to, if you slightly trim the main, the boat should turn closer to the wind. If you trim the main too much, the main will cause the boat to tack.
05-08-2012 02:46 PM
casey1999
Re: Issues with heaving-to

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Originally Posted by peterchech View Post
PS As many of you may know my boat's a Cherubini Hunter 25 masthead sloop, shoal draft fin keel (no cb) and spade rudder. It will not move under main alone, no matter the wind strength this boat simply won't move without slot effect of the jib. The boat also has far too much weather helm, you have to nearly flog the main upwind to keep the boat balanced and once the wind is over 8-10 knots you still have to keep pressure on the tiller to keep the boat from rounding up. Not sure if this may have something to do with the heaving-to issue...
Sounds as if somthing is not quite right. Mast rake can effect weather helm. The mast should be raked towards the stern maybe a 1/2 of a mast diameter off vertical. Maybe you should also look at rig tension.

It sounds like you have tried just about everything as far as sail trim. With my mast head sloop, if I have too much main up or jib, I will have severe weather helm. With just the right amount of sail, the boat nearly steers itself with no helm pressure. If I over sheet the main sail I will get heavy weather helm, but ease off just a few inches of sheet and she steers great.

Maybe get a sailboat "racer" to go out with you and see if they can help you look at the rig tune and sail trim.
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