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12-24-2012 11:25 AM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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Originally Posted by CaptainForce View Post
'sounds like you're conflicted. ....damned if I'll be back and can't wait to drive him nuts. I had no idea that you were involved in a personal feud at a specific location. I'm sure your right, charge on!
lol....true. I cross over at Bimini, so I have to get that far south and as a singlehander, that limits me. As long as I'm in the neighbourhood....
As for Karlton, the man is an obnoxious piece of work, he's in the wrong, he's harassed numerous boaters for the crime of innocently anchoring (legally) behind his housem lied to the police on several occasions about the situation...
12-24-2012 11:01 AM
Sea Dawg
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

You can change locations, but this is Chesapeake Bay. I found it accurate enough to find anchorage with no other source... Chesapeake Bay Map, Charts, Weather, and Tides | EarthNC
12-24-2012 08:34 AM
CaptainForce
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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Originally Posted by canucksailorguy View Post
..........................- and I'll be damned if I'll spend my money in the state if that's what they continue to do to me........................ I will AGAIN anchor my boat in the middle of his bloody field just because a) I can and b) I know it drives him nuts and he deserves that sort of treatment.......................
'sounds like you're conflicted. ....damned if I'll be back and can't wait to drive him nuts. I had no idea that you were involved in a personal feud at a specific location. I'm sure your right, charge on!
12-24-2012 07:44 AM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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For decades people of little means have been able to buy a boat for a few hundred dollars or less and anchor it in a Florida cove and live in "paradise" with a meager income.
My point exactly - this is not a problem that cruisers and transients should be made to suffer for. We have nice boats, we have money in our shorts, we are NOT the problem here.
It's a socioeconomic problem involving citizens of the state of Florida. I don't sail at great expense and challenge every fall for over 2500 miles from the Great Lakes to be treated like a second - hell, a fourth class citizen - and I'll be damned if I'll spend my money in the state if that's what they continue to do to me. I'm not the only person who feels this way either.
As for it perhaps maybe not being about the money - Major Daugherty of the FWC assured me that ass in Sunset Lake, Frederick Karlton, would be charged under the law for illegally having his dinghies out in the water. I haven't heard anything lately, but it's my understanding they are still there. Of course, the man is only worth multiple millions - but when I get back to MB, I will AGAIN anchor my boat in the middle of his bloody field just because a) I can and b) I know it drives him nuts and he deserves that sort of treatment.
But the law is on our side, so someone - anyone - tell me why the FWC won't enforce it? Let me answer that - $$$$$.
Better yet - why doesn't someone take the FWC to court for a writ of mandamus and get an order forcing them to charge Karlton?
12-23-2012 08:59 PM
ebs001
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

Florida had derelict boats that were abandoned and while existing legislation may have prohibited these boats from anchoring it was sketchy at best. Most municipalities were reluctant to act. St Augustine for example had a real mess for years but now was able to clean up it's waterfront by making it a mooring field. Yes the communities are making money from these mooring fields but I don't think that was the only reason.

.While Aythya Crew may not have ever been "harrassed" by the authorities or home owners, Miami Beach police used to (I don't know if this is still the case) only allow anchoring within their boundries for 5 days per month. In Sunset Lake, again in Miami Beach, two home owners regularily harrassed boats at anchor.It happened to me. The last time I anchored in Miami Beach there were only a handful of boats and none around Monument Island when a few years before there were hundreds. Marco Island was infamous for harrassing cruisers and in Lake Sylvia in Fort Lauderdale similiar behaviour was exhibited by the authorities. This was done because of pressure by the landowners around the waterways.

The Marco Island tactics resulted in one cruiser whom they harrassed taking them to court and winning. Municipalities panicked fearing a huge influx of undesirables, like me, anchoring in their backyards and so they got the state to introduce the mooring field law.


There are still lots of free anchorages in Florida but the number within municipal limits are quickly disappearing. As long as Florida municipalities make money and get rid of derelicts, free anchorages in Florida will be a thing of the past.
12-23-2012 06:55 PM
CaptainForce
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

All should consider the history of why this is a problem characteristic of Florida. Some seem to suggest that it's a character flaw among the local politicians, wealthy landowners, or a policy motivated by greed. Actually, it more of a result of personal freedoms and climate. For decades people of little means have been able to buy a boat for a few hundred dollars or less and anchor it in a Florida cove and live in "paradise" with a meager income. They can paddle to a public landing or easement under a bridge without a problem. Is this not happening in Georgian Bay or New England because of a better ethic of the society there? .....because of more honorable legislation? Of course not! People can't survive drinking their beer in a winter sunset of 70 degrees there! Is it possible or right for Florida to legislate against those too poor to own pretty and expensive boats? Of course not,- instead, for the past hundred years, every five years or so a strom wipes away these wrecks and the owners go back to live elsewhere or buy another wreck. This is why Florida has this local problem. The best response has been to develop legislation that discourages people from using boats as low income housing. I've heard the internet an published horror stories of boaters being harrassed, but the real world is not so unfair. I have been anchoring out in Florida freely since 1972, usually for just a couple nights at one spot, but as long as three month at one place. I do not land my dinghy on private property, anchor within moorin fields or channels. I have never been questioned, approached or hassled by any authority. I have never been boarded or inspected by any authority while cruising or anchoring during these 41 years. I have never heard any negative remarks from any landowner. I have fended off derelet boats and helped some on pathetic crafts hold their position.
12-23-2012 03:07 PM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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but Florida, ...have a real problem with what by almost any definition are junk boats that are a real danger to navigation. There is also a problem with some folks who live on boats and abuse shore facilities.
Those problems are caused by locals - but it's we, the travelling boaters who are being made to suffer for it. The laws were in place to deal with it. The FWC's regulations (reg 21 if I recall correctly) permit them to remove any boat that could be a problem within five days. The pilot program is their way of permitting municipalities and the rich landowndowners who control most municipal councils to get control over the water. You see, they believe they own the view to the horizon.
As for the drunks and druggies - that' a social problem, not a boating problem - and the sooner Florida deals with it appropriately, the better off all concerned will be. But that won't happen - see 'rich landowners' above...
12-23-2012 03:02 PM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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And how about Cuba???
Cuba is a different story - LOTS of excellent anchorages, but you cannot go ashore unless you are at a marina. Es prohibido. About the only exception to that is the keys to the east of Varadero, Golfo de Guahanacabibes to the west of Bahia Honda, Cayo Levisa, possible Cabo San Antonio (Moro), and the keys on the south coast. You want the places where the Guarda Frontera (coast guard) does not have a post.
If you want more info on this, you can check out my video at TheSailingChannel.tv
12-23-2012 02:59 PM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

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Originally Posted by PorFin View Post
True enough, but how about if the local authorities simply addressed ths problem boats and let the responsible ones continue to exercise their rights of free anchorage?

My suspicious mind thinks that the derelict vessel/irresponsible boater arguments are a smoke cover for developers and cash-strapped municipalities.
You're suspicious mind is right on the money. All the laws they required to deal with the problems were in place, but not being enforced. This Pilot Program is a scam. I have no intention of spending Dollar One in Florida when I get there. I'll fill my jerrycans and fridge/freezer in Brunswick, and go offshore for the Bahamas, anchoring out where I can.
They don't want to treat me as a respected guest/tourist, they don't get my money. There are 10,000 cruising boats a year that enter Florida - if we all did this in Florida, they'd quickly get the message.
Oh wait, maybe not - all those rich landowners have the votes and the money they support their lackey politicians with.
End of rant.
12-23-2012 02:54 PM
canucksailorguy
Re: Finding free anchorages on East Coast?

Far and away, the best guide is The Great Book of Anchorages, it's new, from Chuck Baird and Susan Landry. Active Captain has too many posts that are simply wrong and, sometimes, dangerous to follow. Ok if you want to find a clean bathroom, downright dangerous if you're using some of the suggestions for navigation.
Check The Great Book of Anchorages, or google the title for the new book.

Wally

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Originally Posted by JohnZion View Post
How hard is it to find decent, free anchorages as you sail up and down the East Coast, from Maine to Florida? Are all the decent anchorages taken up by moorings? Will we be able to find free places to anchor each night? We have a 38 ft sailboat that draws 5 feet.

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