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08-16-2012 11:50 PM
souljour2000
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

In your case I would start with an achilles or the like in the 10-foot range with 15 hp outboard...and then when finally underway cruisng I would find an 8-foot hardshell dinghy and a 3.5 merc or the like for it....and put it on the foredeck...and have the achilles folded away or towed when you get cruising and for use when you arrive where you plan to be awhile...a good small hard dinghy is very useful...durable...and rows well and easily....great for setting anchors/general utility...the achilles is faster...tows well....and a great boat for getting in from far-out anchorages quickly...but they row like dogs...having the extra little hard dinghy on foredeck with it's own small motor would be a great addition to the achilles-type if I were you...just my take..
08-16-2012 06:31 PM
GrahamO
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

So,
In the end we did get the Achilles HB270 LX folding transom RIB. We may end up regretting the size but at the moment it feels fine. It 'happily' carries my wife, myself, our 270lb nephew and some gear and it planes easily with just me onboard at half throttle (still running in the OB).

The folding transom is great. It packs down really flat (even after inflation...) and goes comfortably on the front deck without blocking the front hatch. We sailed back from Westport Pt. with it mounted there and it was no trouble at all. I know... The life raft is not going to work too well from under it but I'm not at all convinced a life raft makes sense for coastal cruising anyway so it might be coming off until we do some 'serious' voyaging and I see davits in my future for coastal stuff.

Not sure about the boat bag. It keeps the RIB somewhat protected but it is a royal PITA, particularly if there is some wind.

Thanks for all your great input and advice and apologies to those we ignored......





Graham
08-16-2012 12:14 PM
eherlihy
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

This was a great thread...

Plusses and minusses of several options discussed, and it didn't degenerate into a pi$$ing contest!

Just to add to the mix, here is what I did;

WM had a "special" sale on their SB-275 (<$750).



I like it in that it has a hard floor, yet I can roll it up into about a 2'x3'x4' 75lb package. I can also get it, up onto a plane with my Merc 3.5HP 2 stroke. I have had 3 people aboard no problem, and two are no problem in moderate chop.

Assembly and inflating it is a pain, however. I have been keeping it assembled, but deflated, in the bed of my pickup, under the tonneau cover. When cruising, I tow it inflated with the OB on the stern rail (I love that the motor weighs 30lb WITH a full tank of fuel ).

In total I have <$1500 invested in the dink & motor.
07-11-2012 09:46 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

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Originally Posted by MedSailor View Post
Yes that does help! Me likey..... Me likey very much.....

So the rope goes from the masthead block becket (spliced I presume) down the the block in the photo, then back up to the pulley part of the block at the masthead and then back down to the deck yes?

Is the ratcheting block you speak of the one on the masthead crane or the one at deck level?

Since it's all external, how to you keep it from banging against the mast?

I've never used a ratcheting block myself. Do they make it possible to hoist a wet person aboard with only 2:1 purchase without taking it to a winch?

Thanks!
MedSailor
The ratchet is at deck level...

The halyard goes back inside the mast a few feet below the masthead crane, and exits again a few feet above above the deck... keeping the rest stowed - as pictured - outboard, away from the mast, there's no halyard slapping to contend with...

A ratchet won't increase your purchase, it only helps control any tendency towards "slippage"... Really handy when you're doing something such as lowering a tender overboard, singlehanded... Whether a 2:1 will hoist a "wet person" would depend on the size of said person, I suppose - it will enable me to hoist the only other person I routinely sail with that I care about bringing back aboard, however... (grin)

Just in case, I'd recommend having a 5:1 or 6:1 purchase, extendable to 6 feet or so, pre-rigged with snap shackles or asymetric hooks always at the ready for such eventualities, every boat should have one, IMHO...
07-11-2012 10:08 AM
Cruisingdad
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

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Originally Posted by GrahamO View Post
So.....
Nothing stays the same for long. We have managed to locate a mooring 'near' home but it is a fair run over a tidal river so that narrow our choices. Where we are at the moment is an Achilles HB-270FX with a Tohatsu 6hp outboard.

Comments, warnings, experience very much appreciated.

Thanks
I like this tender better only because it can take a larger motor. At that weight and legth, you will plan out with a 6. I know that because I had a 10'2 HPIB Avon (still do) and a Mercury 6 hp 4 stroke that would plane.

I would not buy the 6hp motor. If I am not mistaken, it is exactly the same 4 stroke that is in the Mercury. I think Taihatsu builds all the 4 strokes for all the manufacturers (except Honda) under 15hp.... at least that is my understanding and excuse me if I am wrong.

THe Mercury 6hp 4 stroke has ben very unreliable to us. It is rebuilt EVERY year, sometimes twice. It does not perform well even when running. The 8 is a better choice... or better than that, start shopping for a 2 stroke. You will get a lot more bang for the buck and a engine that is a lot lighter. Since weight is your primary concern, that makes sense. I would also put the largest 2 stroke allowed (8 in your example). Worst case scenario, you don't use the full 8. Better to have it and not need it, etc.

All in all, I like your choice. I really like that aluminum one too (AB). We almost got that instead of the Walker Bay Genesis.

Brian

PS Maybe you would not have the same issues with the 6 as we did. Just giving our experiences.
07-11-2012 01:27 AM
MedSailor
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Here's a pic of the halyard shackle (the "end" of the halyard, in effect) stowed at deck level, hope this helps...



Fixed on the spinnaker crane at the masthead, is a similar block with a becket... The halyard runs from that becket, down to the block pictured with the shackle, back up to the masthead, then down to the ratchet at the base of the mast...

Primary rationale for having a 2:1 halyard is to be able to sufficiently tension the halyard for use with a Code 0... But, as mentioned, once in place, such a halyard has a LOT of other very useful applications...
Yes that does help! Me likey..... Me likey very much.....

So the rope goes from the masthead block becket (spliced I presume) down the the block in the photo, then back up to the pulley part of the block at the masthead and then back down to the deck yes?

Is the ratcheting block you speak of the one on the masthead crane or the one at deck level?

Since it's all external, how to you keep it from banging against the mast?

I've never used a ratcheting block myself. Do they make it possible to hoist a wet person aboard with only 2:1 purchase without taking it to a winch?

Thanks!
MedSailor
07-11-2012 12:18 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

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Originally Posted by MedSailor View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg
Another option for those like me who like to keep it simple, is to configure a 2:1 spinnaker halyard run through a ratchet block at the base of the mast, instead... This arrangement will soon prove its utility in a variety of ways, not the least of which can be as a MOB hoisting device, always at the ready...
This sounds like a great idea, but I honestly can't picture it. In order to create a 2:1 system one of the pulleys has to be free to move closer to the other (fixed) one. If you've got a pulley at the top of the mast, and a pulley fixed at the base of the mast, you don't have any purchase at all, instead you've just created friction by running your lines through more pulleys.

If the bottom pulley moves, then it will be going up the mast away from you and won't be easy to continue to pull on right?

What am I missing?

MedSailor
Here's a pic of the halyard shackle (the "end" of the halyard, in effect) stowed at deck level, hope this helps...



Fixed on the spinnaker crane at the masthead, is a similar block with a becket... The halyard runs from that becket, down to the block pictured with the shackle, back up to the masthead, then down to the ratchet at the base of the mast...

Primary rationale for having a 2:1 halyard is to be able to sufficiently tension the halyard for use with a Code 0... But, as mentioned, once in place, such a halyard has a LOT of other very useful applications...
07-10-2012 11:25 PM
MedSailor
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Another option for those like me who like to keep it simple, is to configure a 2:1 spinnaker halyard run through a ratchet block at the base of the mast, instead... This arrangement will soon prove its utility in a variety of ways, not the least of which can be as a MOB hoisting device, always at the ready...
This sounds like a great idea, but I honestly can't picture it. In order to create a 2:1 system one of the pulleys has to be free to move closer to the other (fixed) one. If you've got a pulley at the top of the mast, and a pulley fixed at the base of the mast, you don't have any purchase at all, instead you've just created friction by running your lines through more pulleys.

If the bottom pulley moves, then it will be going up the mast away from you and won't be easy to continue to pull on right?

What am I missing?

MedSailor
07-10-2012 11:18 PM
MedSailor
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Damn, a hard dinghy weighing 130 lbs empty, you're a far braver (not to mention stronger) man than I... (grin)

Just curious, how do you stow that thing aboard?

Davits while coastal, and cabintop under the main boom when offshore. Since 95% of time on even a circumnavigation will still be coastal cruising, it lives on davits most of the time and the weight isn't an issue. We also hoist it on the davits every night, so it doesn't bump the hull and wake us and so that we're ready to go if we need/want to. Having easy to use davits is a really nice luxury that took me quite a while to get right (I was too cheap to have some built by someone else)

Also, we NEVER tow a dinghy, too many bad experiences on my previous boat.

We bought ours used from a friend who was getting out of boating. Saves us the price (and stowage space) of an inflatable life raft and I feel much safer if we ever did have to use it. It's also pretty fun to sail...

MedSailor
07-10-2012 01:56 PM
GrahamO
Re: Final Dinghy Choice - does this make sense?

So.....
Nothing stays the same for long. We have managed to locate a mooring 'near' home but it is a fair run over a tidal river so that narrow our choices. Where we are at the moment is an Achilles HB-270FX with a Tohatsu 6hp outboard.

Comments, warnings, experience very much appreciated.

Thanks
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