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12-31-2012 05:46 PM
sandysm78
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Regarding the Swift 33 in Yachtworld: My husband and I have sailed a Swift for the past 6 years in Puget Sound, San Juan/Gulf Islands and Straits of Georgia. Wonderful downwind boat and very stable. Comfortable in rough seas that we get in this area. Not so good upwind/does not point high. It is very comfortable for two people who want an occational close friend or family member on board overnight. I love the boat, but if you need/want to sail upwind fast, not so good.
06-11-2012 02:59 AM
mitiempo
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Jeremy

If the deck outside is the correct shape I don't think you can do much below except allow for the strange shape that is there - except for removing the beam and the bottom layer of the deck under the mast and re-glassing it in the proper curve before replacing the beam.

I could come over in a few weeks if you want. There are a few electrical things to finish and once you attach the battery box the wiring can be improved in that area. I'm busy for a while with several boats - one pretty extensive.
06-11-2012 02:46 AM
Jgbrown
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Brian: I meant keel stepped as in Wylie Coyote style, where I'm happily cutting away underneath and suddenly my mast get's 7' shorter on deck, and I get a keel stepped mast whether I like it or not, or a hole in the bottom. The problem with new beam only is it doesn't fix the distortion elsewhere, where things settled like you can see from the V-berth. I need to find someone here as skilled as you are with electrical but in the fiberglass and rigging department.

I'll happily pay them to help, I just don't want to approach this one alone with my experience level. Tabbing etc I'll try alone later after learning. Unless you feel like another trip to Vancouver?
06-11-2012 02:36 AM
mitiempo
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Jeremy

If the deck has the proper camber and isn't pushed down it is good as is. I would make a new stronger beam that fits the existing strange curve below to eliminate any future deck compression.

If you paint the new beam to match the overhead the flat will be less visible.

You don't want a keel stepped mast - that would require way too many changes.
06-11-2012 02:26 AM
Jgbrown
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

My concern is that if I re-arc the beam, that middle of the M will get pushed up. If it is solid, then the mass goes somewhere. Also how to re-arc it or rebuild the beam without taking the mast off, and without getting myself a keel-stepped mast in the process.
Also, how to replace the posts etc, and take care of any other issues may have caused it/resulted from it.
06-11-2012 01:31 AM
Faster
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

I had a look at this issue the other day.. it is odd, as Jeremy describes. The deck from above appears sound, no visible deflection and no pooling of water (and we've had some rain lately) as you'd expect around the mast step with any localized depression. Doesn't mean that an original camber isn't somewhat, but not obviously, less, but from above it appears 'normal'. No crazing or stress cracks in that area at all. No obvious delam from a 'tap test' in that area either.

He's had some information that an aluminum plate was inserted under the mast step at some point. If this is true it was done from the inside, which may explain the apparent 'depression' which might be additional thickness, but the beam does seem stressed. In addition there's some separated lightweight tabbing and what appears to be some settling on the forward side of the main bulkhead's port side of the passageway to the Vberth (well off-centre and evidenced mainly by the fractured light tabbing). But again no similar indication on deck.

So his challenge now is to try to determine what's really happened/happening in that region, along with cleaning up a lot of other ill advised butchery below by the PO.
06-11-2012 01:19 AM
mitiempo
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

A moisture meter would be easier and maybe a more reliable way of telling the core condition. I should have brought mine over when I was there.

I tapped the deck around the mast and it seemed solid, no dead spots that I could tell. Maybe the solution is to replace the beam, which isn't in good shape, with a better one and leave it at that. I would include aluminum as we discussed between the beam and bulkhead.

Whether the top gets cut open now, later, or never the beam needs replacing. Replace the beam and see what happens over time.
06-11-2012 01:12 AM
Jgbrown
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

main cabinets in the cabin.
The suggestion was to soak the deck for a few days, then heat up the inside and look from the outside, see if we can see anything around the mast step.
I agree. But how to fix it is the question I have. The deck doesn't match the inside for damage, was it already shored up, was it botched? How can the gel coat/deck look fine when the inside is sinking etc. Why cut out top when the bottom has issues, but top looks good. I'm just not sure how to approach it basically.
06-10-2012 03:08 AM
mitiempo
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

Jeremy

Which cabinets did you remove?

As far as the beam, whether there is water in the deck core or not the current beam is not strong enough and the laminations are coming unglued.

What are you looking for with a thermal camera?
06-10-2012 02:59 AM
Jgbrown
Re: Trying another tack... Looking for the right boat near Vancouver, BC.

I said that about 5000$ ago too... lol. Still no clue what to do with the mast beam. I've got more pictures. Faster(Ron) came by today and had a look too. A friend has offered to have a go at the boat with a thermal camera and some heaters see if we can't see anything in there, otherwise I'm stumped. Thinking of doing it from the inside now, outside looks good, interior ceiling looks bad. Not sure what's there.
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