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06-08-2012 12:21 AM
DivingOtter
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

Yes it technically is up for grabs but if i claim salvage rights my company assumes ALL cost of salvage which I cannot do. By informing the marine police and coast guard it SHOULD force them into a legal mitigation and force them to have the vessel removed. Ottos, it has been leaking fuel since she first went down and sadly the agencies say its not a big deal. " only a few hundred gallons". Unbelievable, throw a cigarette or piece of trash on the ground and get a 55 dollar fine, let 350 gallons of fuel spill into the ocean and consider it not so bad..
06-07-2012 11:29 PM
ottos
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

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Upate. Found the boat and going through the motions to claim the salvage on her.
Good luck, Otter!

I don't know anything about it, but with a full tank, wouldn't DEP mandate that it be raised?
06-07-2012 11:27 PM
hellosailor
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

Otter, if they don't want to salvage it, then doesn't that mean they've abandoned it and the boat is up for grabs?

Not to mention, that's gotta be a MARPOL violation and a dozen other fines for dumping that big a chunk of plastic inside the 3-mile limit and not even trying to recover it.(G)
06-07-2012 07:35 PM
DivingOtter
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

At low tide those "submerged" rocks are just visible. At dead high they are below the waters. More than a fair share have fallen victim to those rocks.
06-07-2012 07:34 PM
DivingOtter
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

Upate. Found the boat and going through the motions to claim the salvage on her. Since go figure, the insurance company thinks they are just going to let it sit as is. Its lying on a shifting bar with air inside her bow causing her to be light on her feet, that being said it is far to easy for her to be drug out into navigable waters. Since the insurance company is against salvage, I notified the State Police Marine division as well as the Coast Guard to let them know it will be a hazard if it hasnt already.
06-07-2012 05:56 PM
ottos
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

Jon Eisberg did a very informative post last fall. I'll copy it here -

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
So much for Local Knowledge, I suppose... (grin) My apologies, I did a rather poor job of describing what I meant, there. I'll plead the excuse of the lateness of the hour of my posting, and the fact that I had raised a glass or 2 too many last night, to the memory of Indy Champion Dan Wheldon...

The outermost portion of the north jetty has been reduced to somewhat of a pile of rubble by the wave action over recent years. For years the light on the jetty had been a more substantial tower, which eventually was at risk of toppling over, and was eventually replaced with a light on a single pole driven into the bottom, rather than mounted on top of the rocks... But, if you look closely at the pic below, you can see it is placed slightly to the outside of the rocks...



Add the fact that the channel normally favors the N side to a considerable degree - there is usually a lighted green buoy just inside the jetties, often placed about 2/3 of the way across the inlet towards the N side... From there on in, the channel run quite close to the rocks, generally closer than the red course line below would indicate...



My impression has always been that as the end of the jetty has been broken down, there is a significant amount of underwater obstruction from the debris extending a bit more to seaward... It can certainly appear that way from the visible wave action there in certain conditions, and friends who fish around the rocks there believe there are rocks that extend slightly further out... I'll take their word for it, I've no inclination to investigate that any more closely...
And lastly the image from the Coast Pilot -

06-07-2012 10:40 AM
hellosailor
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

Yes, same chart. I'd expect the northern jetty to be partly awash or possibly submerged there, but the line from the inlet, the extension from the northern part of that jetty, and the linear run out to the light, would all make it look fairly hard to miss the northern jetty. As opposed to the one on the south side, cutting catty-corner from the light to the shore. That looks like it wouldn't be as obvious to locate, from the water.

Maybe if they built an amusement and fishing pier on top of it, and put Disney in charge? And they could bring that Italian cruise ship alongside, for a real tourist attraction?
06-07-2012 10:24 AM
ottos
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

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My only confusion was over the remarks about a submerged jetty, since the chart shows only one of those, to the south of the inlet. The main jetty forming part of the inlet on the north side shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone, unless wreckers moved the light on the end.
HS - are we looking at the same chart? Yes there is a sub. jetty to the south, but the north inlet jetty does as well - right under the wreck that is marked.


(Image courtesy of Active Captain)
06-07-2012 10:00 AM
hellosailor
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

"Ha...thats the difference between the ruler and"
Not really, chef. I was just using the ruler to check the distance, and routing it (instead of a ruler) from R40 through Oyster Creek Channel, which is the preferred one on my chart since Double Creek would force a shoal crossing, actually gives a run of just under 5nm from the R40 mark to the outside of the inlet.
Add the notices about shoaling, changes, marks being moved...It's easy to know what to expect, if you're comfortable with maps and charts. (I actually know someone who swears they can't read a road map, the image makes no sense to them.) My only confusion was over the remarks about a submerged jetty, since the chart shows only one of those, to the south of the inlet. The main jetty forming part of the inlet on the north side shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone, unless wreckers moved the light on the end.
Why do I think those fellows are going to take up golf next month?
06-07-2012 08:06 AM
ottos
Re: Barnegat Light vessel lost

It's not that bad....really


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