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06-11-2012 07:09 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: flying the asymm

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Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
That is quite common with the newer designs of asymm. The sail in my photos is a gennaker with the tack inside the pulpit and a tack strap around the furled genoa.
Right. I don't like those at all.

With a bit of tuning of the tack line you can get really good rotation to windward on the chute and increase projected area. By the time you're far enough on the wind to lose rotation you might as well fly a genoa.
06-11-2012 06:16 PM
jackdale
Re: flying the asymm

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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious View Post
I fly my asymm from the pole on the TACK.
That is quite common with the newer designs of asymm. The sail in my photos is a gennaker with the tack inside the pulpit and a tack strap around the furled genoa.
06-11-2012 06:13 PM
jackdale
Re: flying the asymm

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Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
Assym on a pole is great! But it's also a lot more hardware than most cruisers want to deal with. Jack, so your pole works well without a bridal? The loads must be pretty big reaching, no?
I used a topping lift and downhaul rigged to the bails on the pole. This pole is actually for a dip pole gybe spinnaker.



This way more than most cruisers want to deal with. I takes about 5-6 people to gybe this spinnaker effectively.

I could have rigged to the pole end as in the picture above , but the winds were light. When reaching I would not use a pole.

This photo is a beam reach / close reach.

06-11-2012 05:58 PM
nolatom
Re: flying the asymm

Are we: a) rigging the assym like a sym then, and using the pole, pulled aft, to get the whole sail out to windward of the main?

Or are we: b) using the pole to wing out the clew, as with a genny?

I don't get what the question is.

Nor am I crazy about assyms--they work on a broad reach where a genny would work pretty well, but when you "really" need a spinny to actually go *downwind*, they collapse in the blanket of the main. So it turns a run into a downwind "beat", back and forth on broad reaches.

Unless you just go wing and wing DDW, no pole needed nor helpful, but please pay attention to the helm, 'kay?

And I think they're more work to jibe, in a way, even without a pole, since the clew has to cover a whole lot more distance than it would with a sym, and if you're late or the driver heads up too quickly from DDW, the whole shebang gets plastered aback inside the headstay until you have to do two more jibes to clear it.
06-11-2012 05:38 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: flying the asymm

I fly my asymm from the pole on the TACK.
06-11-2012 05:34 PM
puddinlegs
Re: flying the asymm

Assym on a pole is great! But it's also a lot more hardware than most cruisers want to deal with. Jack, so your pole works well without a bridal? The loads must be pretty big reaching, no?
06-11-2012 03:50 PM
jackdale
Re: flying the asymm

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Has anyone tried a whisker pole with their asymmetrical to try to make it work deeper downwind (even wing and wing)?

The manual with my Forespar LC10-18 does mention using it with an a-sail but does not go into detail. The greatest problem seems to be removing it in a safe manner. With the jib you can just furl it then remove the pole. With the a-sail I suppose you could pull the sock most of the way down....
have gone DDW with and without a pole.


DDW without pole



DDW with a spinnaker pole



Put everything up on a broad reach. then gybe the main. For a take down: gybe the main, get on a broad reach, take the pole down, then douse the gennaker.

In all honesty it is the faster and safer to broad reach and gybe.
06-11-2012 02:55 PM
MarkSF
Re: flying the asymm

Has anyone tried a whisker pole with their asymmetrical to try to make it work deeper downwind (even wing and wing)?

The manual with my Forespar LC10-18 does mention using it with an a-sail but does not go into detail. The greatest problem seems to be removing it in a safe manner. With the jib you can just furl it then remove the pole. With the a-sail I suppose you could pull the sock most of the way down....
06-11-2012 02:53 PM
lajimo
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06-11-2012 02:33 PM
lajimo
flying the asymm

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